Who else is hosting their Cloudron server on Hetzner Cloud? How best to do backups on Hetzner?
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A bit of a tangent, but I wanted to emphasize that snapshots are not backups. For example, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22001822 where Gandi advertised it's snapshots are backups but the whole rack got bad and they lost all the servers and the backups just last week. A backup strategy should ideally always be in another service provider even, if possible. This avoids cases where a lockout of your account removes access to all your data entirely.
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@girish said in Who else is hosting their Cloudron server on Hetzner Cloud? How best to do backups on Hetzner?:
A backup strategy should ideally always be in another service provider even, if possible. This avoids cases where a lockout of your account removes access to all your data entirely.
Hmz, good point.
I guess I had better find another good value vps provider that runs on 100% renewable energy then... I know https://1984hosting.com/ do (they aren't quite as cheap but I do I've actually already got a VPS with them where I host my Sandstorm server), so perhaps I'll try using them for backups...
Anyone know of any others? I really don't want to use any of the big tech giants nor anyone who doesn't use 100% renewable energy
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@jdaviescoates NetCup is 100% green
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@timmeh great, thanks! If it weren't for the 12 months billing I'd probably sign-up straight away to try them out (hourly billing is one of the things I like about Hetzner)... seems like they could be perfect!
Have you used them/ do you use them? Or perhaps even work for them?
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@jdaviescoates said in Who else is hosting their Cloudron server on Hetzner Cloud? How best to do backups on Hetzner?:
seems like they could be perfect
Hmz, aside from the fact they seem to arbitrarily limit which languages can be used etc.
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@jdaviescoates I use them for my own Cloudron instance! Works like a charm, they even have 18.04 with preinstalled Cloudron images so it was zero effort for setup
I run my backups somewhere else though, so not sure about those. -
@jdaviescoates My backups go via Scaleway. Was easy to setup because there was a Cloudron preset and guide for it, and it's free up to 75GBs
AFAIK not green though.. -
@jdaviescoates said in Who else is hosting their Cloudron server on Hetzner Cloud? How best to do backups on Hetzner?:
use a Volume instead!
it's often the option I choose
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https://wasabi.com & https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage.html are both decent S3 compatible options for relatively cheap provider redundancy.
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Since B2 recently added S3 compat, we will add it at some point - https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/508 . I did test this out a month ago and it was very slow, so I will give them sometime to ramp up. At this point, if you want to test, you can always use the "S3 compatible" as the option in the provider field in Cloudron Backups view.
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Warning for Backblaze region selection! Especially if EU GDPR laws or just US privacy is a concern.
If (like me) you have an account that's been open since before they added the EU-Central (Amsterdam) region - there's no way to set any other region than the one you selected (defaulted) when creating your account.
The only way to have a different region with Backblaze is with separate accounts.
Wasabi is my other alternative and costs less if you have a lot of ingress or are in the hundreds of Gigabytes bracket, and want region-selection in one account, but Backblaze is the cheapest and trusted option I know up to say half a terabyte.
No harm in having an account with both though if you like having options. I like to keep backup object storage away from the main host, although if you were backing up hourly or something else bandwidth heavy then same provider attached storage is pretty safe and usually held in triplicate across hardware.
