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Outline - a Notion-like open source app

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  • girishG girish

    So after investigation, the situation is this:

    • Outline does not support any local authentication i.e it has no local user database.
    • The developers have indicated that there is possibly LDAP in the enterprise version of the product. I haven't tried that, so I don't know if it's there.
    • Authentication can be done via Google/GitHub (?) and other external services.
    • OpenID is supported

    Current package is using dex to bridge OpenID connect and Cloudron LDAP. This can be difficult to migrate in the long run (and is also two really apps in one).

    So, we can't provide Outline immediately. We are going to first add OpenID connect as an addon. We used to have OAuth before as addon that did not work out well. We will try this for 7.4.

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    @girish said in Outline - a Notion-like open source app:

    add OpenID connect as an addon

    Having OpenID Connect as an addon sounds great to me.

    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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    • scookeS scooke

      @girish It has never been easy to run. I had it running once years ago using Google or Slack, all hand-rolled and installed, and had to use this super niche code tweak that anyone who ever found it once could never find it again.
      Just now I went over to the site to try to login with Slack... failed. I know this is a cool app, but I don't think it is going to be worth the hassle getting it to work. Focus on something else!

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      #95

      @scooke yeah, the upstream author has indicated that they won't accept changes not related to their SaaS. But maybe this has changed because they offer selfhosted plans. In any case, having OIDC in Cloudron won't hurt.

      Also, I think I remember seeing the one line patch you mentioned...

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      • girishG girish

        @scooke yeah, the upstream author has indicated that they won't accept changes not related to their SaaS. But maybe this has changed because they offer selfhosted plans. In any case, having OIDC in Cloudron won't hurt.

        Also, I think I remember seeing the one line patch you mentioned...

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        scooke
        wrote on last edited by
        #96

        @girish You've proba already seen it, but apparently Yunohost has this running. I'll check. Maybe their setup can help.

        A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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        • scookeS scooke

          @girish You've proba already seen it, but apparently Yunohost has this running. I'll check. Maybe their setup can help.

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          girish
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          wrote on last edited by
          #97

          @scooke We have it running on Cloudron as well. Just not sure if it's sustainable with the current authentication approach (dex -> cloudron ldap).

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          • girishG girish

            @scooke We have it running on Cloudron as well. Just not sure if it's sustainable with the current authentication approach (dex -> cloudron ldap).

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            @girish is there something the community can help to accelerate the deployment of this?

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            • matbrgzM matbrgz

              @girish is there something the community can help to accelerate the deployment of this?

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              wrote on last edited by girish
              #99

              @matbrgz I think we are almost there. With 7.4, we introduce OIDC. In theory, outline supports OIDC but we have to check.

              OIDC support in Outlook Outline itself - the situation is quite unclear to me, since it's not documented anywhere clearly. Do you know anything about this?

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              • girishG girish

                @matbrgz I think we are almost there. With 7.4, we introduce OIDC. In theory, outline supports OIDC but we have to check.

                OIDC support in Outlook Outline itself - the situation is quite unclear to me, since it's not documented anywhere clearly. Do you know anything about this?

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                wrote on last edited by
                #100

                @girish OIDC in Outlook or Outline? I can help run down answers to MS related questions, but that might be a typo?

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                • doodlemania2D doodlemania2

                  @girish OIDC in Outlook or Outline? I can help run down answers to MS related questions, but that might be a typo?

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #101

                  @doodlemania2 w00t, sorry. I meant outline πŸ™‚

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                  • girishG girish

                    @matbrgz I think we are almost there. With 7.4, we introduce OIDC. In theory, outline supports OIDC but we have to check.

                    OIDC support in Outlook Outline itself - the situation is quite unclear to me, since it's not documented anywhere clearly. Do you know anything about this?

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                    #102

                    @girish I’ve used their env sample as a reference for configuring it with Dex in my package: https://github.com/outline/outline/blob/main/.env.sample

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                      #103

                      hello! I stumbled upon this again and I wonder if any of you have any luck with a self-hosted install of Outline but using Cloudron's OIDC. Cloudron documentation of it it's not very complete for a newbie like me.

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                        #104

                        @chetbaker now that we have OIDC, we will be looking into outline again. But this will take a bit. But feel free to experiment on your own, just wanted to put this note.

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                        • girishG girish

                          @chetbaker now that we have OIDC, we will be looking into outline again. But this will take a bit. But feel free to experiment on your own, just wanted to put this note.

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                          @girish This is an excellent app to have in Cloudron. With this addition, It will make Cloudron a complete solution for everything we need for self-hosting apps.

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                          • girishG girish

                            @chetbaker now that we have OIDC, we will be looking into outline again. But this will take a bit. But feel free to experiment on your own, just wanted to put this note.

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                            @girish said in Outline - a Notion-like open source app:

                            @chetbaker now that we have OIDC, we will be looking into outline again. But this will take a bit. But feel free to experiment on your own, just wanted to put this note.

                            Did you ever get around to look at Outline again @girish - be great to have it on Cloudron! πŸ™

                            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                              #107

                              Is the OIDC integration (and the necessary time to integrate it) the only "blocking" factor here or is there any other element of the package/source preventing a release in Cloudron?
                              This app would be a great addition indeed.

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                              • girishG girish

                                @matbrgz I think we are almost there. With 7.4, we introduce OIDC. In theory, outline supports OIDC but we have to check.

                                OIDC support in Outlook Outline itself - the situation is quite unclear to me, since it's not documented anywhere clearly. Do you know anything about this?

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                                @girish said in Outline - a Notion-like open source app:

                                @matbrgz I think we are almost there. With 7.4, we introduce OIDC. In theory, outline supports OIDC but we have to check.

                                OIDC support in Outlook Outline itself - the situation is quite unclear to me, since it's not documented anywhere clearly. Do you know anything about this?

                                I was able to get OIDC working without any problems with an instance outside of cloudron using their documentation in the env.example:

                                # To configure generic OIDC auth, you'll need some kind of identity provider.
                                # See documentation for whichever IdP you use to acquire the following info:
                                # Redirect URI is https://<URL>/auth/oidc.callback
                                OIDC_CLIENT_ID=
                                OIDC_CLIENT_SECRET=
                                OIDC_AUTH_URI=
                                OIDC_TOKEN_URI=
                                OIDC_USERINFO_URI=
                                
                                # Specify which claims to derive user information from
                                # Supports any valid JSON path with the JWT payload
                                OIDC_USERNAME_CLAIM=preferred_username
                                
                                # Display name for OIDC authentication
                                OIDC_DISPLAY_NAME=OpenID Connect
                                
                                # Space separated auth scopes.
                                OIDC_SCOPES=openid profile email
                                

                                What's not working for you?

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                                • andreasduerenA andreasdueren

                                  @girish said in Outline - a Notion-like open source app:

                                  @matbrgz I think we are almost there. With 7.4, we introduce OIDC. In theory, outline supports OIDC but we have to check.

                                  OIDC support in Outlook Outline itself - the situation is quite unclear to me, since it's not documented anywhere clearly. Do you know anything about this?

                                  I was able to get OIDC working without any problems with an instance outside of cloudron using their documentation in the env.example:

                                  # To configure generic OIDC auth, you'll need some kind of identity provider.
                                  # See documentation for whichever IdP you use to acquire the following info:
                                  # Redirect URI is https://<URL>/auth/oidc.callback
                                  OIDC_CLIENT_ID=
                                  OIDC_CLIENT_SECRET=
                                  OIDC_AUTH_URI=
                                  OIDC_TOKEN_URI=
                                  OIDC_USERINFO_URI=
                                  
                                  # Specify which claims to derive user information from
                                  # Supports any valid JSON path with the JWT payload
                                  OIDC_USERNAME_CLAIM=preferred_username
                                  
                                  # Display name for OIDC authentication
                                  OIDC_DISPLAY_NAME=OpenID Connect
                                  
                                  # Space separated auth scopes.
                                  OIDC_SCOPES=openid profile email
                                  

                                  What's not working for you?

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                                  wrote on last edited by girish
                                  #109

                                  @andreasdueren mmm, so you set this up against Cloudron's OIDC server? Last we checked, leantime needed a key mode authentication to OIDC which we haven't implemented yet. But maybe this has since been fixed?

                                  edit: whoops, sorry, completely different apps πŸ™‚

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                                  • girishG girish

                                    @andreasdueren mmm, so you set this up against Cloudron's OIDC server? Last we checked, leantime needed a key mode authentication to OIDC which we haven't implemented yet. But maybe this has since been fixed?

                                    edit: whoops, sorry, completely different apps πŸ™‚

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                                    jdaviescoates
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                                    #110

                                    @girish said in Outline - a Notion-like open source app:

                                    Last we checked, leantime

                                    This is about Outline, not Leantime πŸ˜‰

                                    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                      @girish said in Outline - a Notion-like open source app:

                                      Last we checked, leantime

                                      This is about Outline, not Leantime πŸ˜‰

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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #111

                                      @jdaviescoates 🀦 edited my post

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                                        #112

                                        +1 for Outline. It's very nicely designed and modern.

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                                        • bmannB bmann

                                          +1 for Outline. It's very nicely designed and modern.

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                                          jdaviescoates
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                                          @bmann said in Outline - a Notion-like open source app:

                                          +1 for Outline

                                          Upvote the original post at the top of the thread πŸ˜‰ (had a quick look a don't think I spotted your icon in the upvoters) πŸ™‚

                                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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