Email deliverability to Microsoft email servers
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FWIW, I have found the best email delivery using Postmark, a REASONABLE, paid service provider. We have used Mailgun (shared IP) and periodically needed to switch IP addresses once the IP address got "poisoned" by someone else. Dedicated IP works, but is very expensive. If you do not send a large volume of emails, it may be difficult to earn a good reputation.
For all those reasons, we have moved most of our outbound email to Postmark. Deliverability is excellent. You can (and should) establish individual "servers" for different domains/email streams (marketing vs. transactional).
We get confirmation that emails were delivered to the recipient's mail server. That's how we found out that some of our emails were being "blackholed" by a large inbox provider (guess who?)For an expenditure of $US20/month we can send 10K/month and have delivery records for 90 days. Totally worth it.
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FWIW, I have found the best email delivery using Postmark, a REASONABLE, paid service provider. We have used Mailgun (shared IP) and periodically needed to switch IP addresses once the IP address got "poisoned" by someone else. Dedicated IP works, but is very expensive. If you do not send a large volume of emails, it may be difficult to earn a good reputation.
For all those reasons, we have moved most of our outbound email to Postmark. Deliverability is excellent. You can (and should) establish individual "servers" for different domains/email streams (marketing vs. transactional).
We get confirmation that emails were delivered to the recipient's mail server. That's how we found out that some of our emails were being "blackholed" by a large inbox provider (guess who?)For an expenditure of $US20/month we can send 10K/month and have delivery records for 90 days. Totally worth it.
@crazybrad said in Email deliverability to Microsoft email servers:
send 10K/month
Yeah, if I need to send large volumes of mail I'd certainly give Postmark a try given how many people here seem to be recommending it.
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@crazybrad said in Email deliverability to Microsoft email servers:
send 10K/month
Yeah, if I need to send large volumes of mail I'd certainly give Postmark a try given how many people here seem to be recommending it.
@jdaviescoates I send nowhere near that limit. I use it for business and personal email accounts because of the deliverability issue. The monthly cost is trivial compared to the time wasted trying to troubleshoot issues.
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Deliverability to Microsoft and Google are a real challenge, that's for sure. Full DMARC with discard/delete options does help.
If we could just override the default Cloudron email configuration on a per app basis, it would be much easier to deal with
We're happy using our Cloudron Digital Ocean hosted droplet foliovision.net SMTP to deliver internal emails but can't use it for client emails (not reliable enough). Unfortunately Cloudron is missing a per application option not to hijack the app's email settings. This oversight caused us serious issues with InvoiceNinja where we had endless trouble with invoice deliverability due to the SMTP settings being silently erased on every restart.
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Deliverability to Microsoft and Google are a real challenge, that's for sure. Full DMARC with discard/delete options does help.
If we could just override the default Cloudron email configuration on a per app basis, it would be much easier to deal with
We're happy using our Cloudron Digital Ocean hosted droplet foliovision.net SMTP to deliver internal emails but can't use it for client emails (not reliable enough). Unfortunately Cloudron is missing a per application option not to hijack the app's email settings. This oversight caused us serious issues with InvoiceNinja where we had endless trouble with invoice deliverability due to the SMTP settings being silently erased on every restart.
@foliovision said in Email deliverability to Microsoft email servers:
If we could just override the default Cloudron email configuration on a per app basis, it would be much easier to deal with
You can
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That's very good news, J. Thanks.
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@michaelpope It really isn't for volume sending, just a few dozen normal communications emails per day. Cost doesn't bother me, it's avoiding complexity, and a matter of principle now.
I hear on the X.com vine that even Zoho is having more deliverability issues now, as the screws tighten.
I've never had issues like this in the past. Gone over all the usual checks, and everything is perfectly setup and no blacklists.
Part of me is wondering if faking email headers to look like they are sent from an Exchange server would solve
I'll keep digging, and report back once solved. It's man vs universe now on this one.
Keep the ideas coming, I've an open mind on this one, but have to solve it now, as it wastes so much time not having reliable delivery for just mundane business emails.
@marcusquinn said in Email deliverability to Microsoft email servers:
Keep the ideas coming,
You know, when I realized some emails being served from my MXRoute-hosted domains were going to Spam, I tried including an email from either my @mac.com or @outlook.com stable in the Reply To: field, and then the emails were going through. I included a note to the recipients asking them to reply to the sending email, and that this was an attempt to improve deliverability. I don't have the numbers, stats, or screenshots, but that worked until the regular From address was no longer blocked or labelled as spam (I'm thinking it was about 2 weeks, about 5-6 emails).
A life lived in fear is a life half-lived
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@marcusquinn said in Email deliverability to Microsoft email servers:
Keep the ideas coming,
You know, when I realized some emails being served from my MXRoute-hosted domains were going to Spam, I tried including an email from either my @mac.com or @outlook.com stable in the Reply To: field, and then the emails were going through. I included a note to the recipients asking them to reply to the sending email, and that this was an attempt to improve deliverability. I don't have the numbers, stats, or screenshots, but that worked until the regular From address was no longer blocked or labelled as spam (I'm thinking it was about 2 weeks, about 5-6 emails).
@scooke nice hack!
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@marcusquinn said in Email deliverability to Microsoft email servers:
Keep the ideas coming,
You know, when I realized some emails being served from my MXRoute-hosted domains were going to Spam, I tried including an email from either my @mac.com or @outlook.com stable in the Reply To: field, and then the emails were going through. I included a note to the recipients asking them to reply to the sending email, and that this was an attempt to improve deliverability. I don't have the numbers, stats, or screenshots, but that worked until the regular From address was no longer blocked or labelled as spam (I'm thinking it was about 2 weeks, about 5-6 emails).
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@scooke Interesting! You can make a few alias addresses on iCloud, so could those to separate from your regular email.
@marcusquinn Yes, I've got the full number allowed! I often almost forget what the main email is!
