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XWiki - The Advanced Open Source Enterprise Wiki

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  • M max

    @ruihildt

    Although they have many similarities in the things they do they are very different beasts to use. We found Confluence to be much smoother for end users to edit content, users could simply type what they liked, paste content from other documents and retain the formatting. More than one person could edit a document at the same time. What you saw was what would be visible instantly when saved.

    I am not a Wiki.js advanced user, but my impressions were very different. Editing documents was much more like creating web content than using. You have to click the edit button, wait for it to display the edit page and then find where you were when you decided to update the content.

    When you are done and then there was a long pause to render the page after you publish it, stopping you from working in the meantime - this was on a 16 processor 48GB RAM SSD-NVMe server, so hardware wasn't the issue.

    All this is OK for users who consume content or those who statically create content with occasional edits, but not ideal when you want your non-Wiki savvy users to see content that needs correcting and simply want to click in the page where they see the error, change it then save it.

    The big challenge for us is persuading our users to contribute and update content. It has to be a slick and pleasant experience.

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    @max I hear this need loud and clear. Feels like we need to run through all the App Wishlist apps with Wiki capabilities and settle on one to put effort into that gives the smoothest experience w/o having to learn/edit markup language.

    Conscious tech

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    • robiR robi

      @max I hear this need loud and clear. Feels like we need to run through all the App Wishlist apps with Wiki capabilities and settle on one to put effort into that gives the smoothest experience w/o having to learn/edit markup language.

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      @robi Thanks, that would be fantastic!

      In the meantime we are using an official docker image of XWiki to see how well it performs and possibly try a migration from one of our Confluence KBs.

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      • nebulonN nebulon

        http://www.xwiki.org

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        @nebulon

        I have wished for WiKiss, a low requirements Wiki software too:

        https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/5859/wikiss

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        • robiR robi

          @max I hear this need loud and clear. Feels like we need to run through all the App Wishlist apps with Wiki capabilities and settle on one to put effort into that gives the smoothest experience w/o having to learn/edit markup language.

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          @robi : it's an admirable objective, but will we not be at risk of re-starting the editor wars ?

          There are so many different use cases : get 10 people in a room, we will probably get 15 use cases. And I will be responsible for at least 3 !

          I think it is safer to accept diversity and ensure choice.

          Just my 2p.

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          • timconsidineT timconsidine

            @robi : it's an admirable objective, but will we not be at risk of re-starting the editor wars ?

            There are so many different use cases : get 10 people in a room, we will probably get 15 use cases. And I will be responsible for at least 3 !

            I think it is safer to accept diversity and ensure choice.

            Just my 2p.

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            @timconsidine yes, agreed, everyone will always want their own favorite one added.

            For us we don't have a favorite yet, but we have a clear requirement for something that is open source, self hosting and is fully featured enough to make it a comprehensive replacement for Confluence.

            I may be mistaken, but Wikiss is aimed at a different use case and is does not compete in this space. As @nebulon says it is a lightweight PHP system

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            • M max

              @timconsidine yes, agreed, everyone will always want their own favorite one added.

              For us we don't have a favorite yet, but we have a clear requirement for something that is open source, self hosting and is fully featured enough to make it a comprehensive replacement for Confluence.

              I may be mistaken, but Wikiss is aimed at a different use case and is does not compete in this space. As @nebulon says it is a lightweight PHP system

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              @robi Hi, I was wondering if you had looked at this since your post back in October?

              We have successfully started using XWiki for 2 corporate clients and had very good feedback. We hosted these on non-Cloudron boxes using the official XWiki images.

              For one of the clients we ran the Confluence migration process which worked very well for most of the spaces (pages). We had formatting issues with a few pages which we had to fix by copying and pasting the content over. It appears there are ways to avoid this, or get support for the migration, but for us it was easier to fix the pages manually.

              So we would really love to have XWiki in Cloudron and enjoy all the benefits that Cloudron brings!

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              • M max

                @robi Hi, I was wondering if you had looked at this since your post back in October?

                We have successfully started using XWiki for 2 corporate clients and had very good feedback. We hosted these on non-Cloudron boxes using the official XWiki images.

                For one of the clients we ran the Confluence migration process which worked very well for most of the spaces (pages). We had formatting issues with a few pages which we had to fix by copying and pasting the content over. It appears there are ways to avoid this, or get support for the migration, but for us it was easier to fix the pages manually.

                So we would really love to have XWiki in Cloudron and enjoy all the benefits that Cloudron brings!

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                @max I'm not the one to ask. Ask one of the folks with the APPDEV badge.

                Conscious tech

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                • robiR robi

                  @max I'm not the one to ask. Ask one of the folks with the APPDEV badge.

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                  #18

                  Hi guys,

                  Checking in on this as I was doing some research on wikis, and from what I understand Confluence server will be sunset soon by the end of the year or so.

                  Looking at Xwiki, it looks really good. Very robust, lots of extensions and seems quite user-friendly.

                  Was wondering if there are any plans to incorporate Xwiki into the app store? Thank you!

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                  • S saint

                    Hi guys,

                    Checking in on this as I was doing some research on wikis, and from what I understand Confluence server will be sunset soon by the end of the year or so.

                    Looking at Xwiki, it looks really good. Very robust, lots of extensions and seems quite user-friendly.

                    Was wondering if there are any plans to incorporate Xwiki into the app store? Thank you!

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                    marcusquinn
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                    @saint Definitely as solid Confluence alternative. Not sure how complex to package, but looks like a pretty vanilla app, so maybe simple. In the meantime, take a look at Documize as a newer alternative.

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                    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                      Surprised this doesn't have more upvotes!

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                      @jdaviescoates Yeah. It looks great!

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                        just ended up here again after @luckow posted about opendesk and I was checking out the components they are integrating and saw they are usung xwiki here:

                        https://gitlab.opencode.de/bmi/opendesk/component-code/knowledge-management/xwiki

                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                        • nebulonN nebulon

                          http://www.xwiki.org

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                          @nebulon said in XWiki - The Advanced Open Source Enterprise Wiki:

                          http://www.xwiki.org

                          https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/12472/please-use-this-template-to-make-an-app-wishlist-request

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