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Since update to v8.2.1 backups fail with "Too many empty directories"

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  • girishG girish

    @SebGG this is normal behavior starting from 8.2 . we put this check in place to prevent backup or app data corruption .

    • Too many empty folders. This means that something suspect is going on with the app . When you create too many empty dirs, you run out of inodes over time and this leads to fs corruption. Since empty dirs don't show up in du listings, people wonder why fs is becoming fullish when files are not taking space

    • Too many executables. This is a security issue if data files are executable. In most cases, this is because user used a tarball which had incorrect permissions inside it . Or the mount permissions or wrong.

    So, the backup failure is a way for end users to check on both the things above.

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    @girish Hi Girish, I have this 'too many empty directories' issue on one of my Nextcloud instance and I haven't a clue how to deal with it. My last backup was on 6 Jan and I am getting nervous about it. Cloudron means I don't have to worry about backups, and lately, I an getting sleepless about this.

    Can you please add an override for this error? Not having backups is IMHO, a more serious issue for me than any empty directories.

    Also, running the command shows me directories that clearly are not empty in anyway. I don't know what else to do - I can't delete these directories precisely because they are not empty.

    Any other pointers would be very helpful!

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      @jagan can you check the output of command find /app/data -type d -empty | wc -l in Web Terminal of nextcloud . If that is not a high number, then can you try back up again? The code is simply running that command and concluding the number is too high.

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        @jagan can you check the output of command find /app/data -type d -empty | wc -l in Web Terminal of nextcloud . If that is not a high number, then can you try back up again? The code is simply running that command and concluding the number is too high.

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        @joseph said in Since update to v8.2.1 backups fail with "Too many empty directories":

        @jagan can you check the output of command find /app/data -type d -empty | wc -l in Web Terminal of nextcloud . If that is not a high number, then can you try back up again? The code is simply running that command and concluding the number is too high.

        just curious, I don't have a backup issue but executed the command in web terminal NC: 12471 is this high?

        and Immich: 26423

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          @joseph said in Since update to v8.2.1 backups fail with "Too many empty directories":

          @jagan can you check the output of command find /app/data -type d -empty | wc -l in Web Terminal of nextcloud . If that is not a high number, then can you try back up again? The code is simply running that command and concluding the number is too high.

          just curious, I don't have a backup issue but executed the command in web terminal NC: 12471 is this high?

          and Immich: 26423

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          @imc67 said in Since update to v8.2.1 backups fail with "Too many empty directories":

          just curious, I don't have a backup issue but executed the command in web terminal NC: 12471 is this high?

          You made me curious too!

          I seem to have 31267 (but also not currently having any backup issues either)

          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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            @jagan can you check the output of command find /app/data -type d -empty | wc -l in Web Terminal of nextcloud . If that is not a high number, then can you try back up again? The code is simply running that command and concluding the number is too high.

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            @joseph said in Since update to v8.2.1 backups fail with "Too many empty directories":

            If that is not a high number,

            Define high?

            @joseph said in Since update to v8.2.1 backups fail with "Too many empty directories":

            The code is simply running that command and concluding the number is too high.

            How does the code define it?

            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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              girish
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              The number are just some pragmatic values. Empty dirs - 50000 , executables - 20000 and symlinks - 20000 . If it exceeds these, it will error.

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                @jagan can you check the output of command find /app/data -type d -empty | wc -l in Web Terminal of nextcloud . If that is not a high number, then can you try back up again? The code is simply running that command and concluding the number is too high.

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                @joseph I hit 50968 empty directories 😕 Is there a way to solve this as it hinders proper backup processes ? Thanks

                P.S.: I think the issue is discussed here: https://github.com/nextcloud/server/issues/46425

                Edit: I deleted the content of the preview folder with rm -r app/data/appdata_*/preview/* and then ran sudo -u www-data php -f /app/code/occ files:scan-app-data as suggested in the link above. Ended up with 129 empty directories.

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                  @mononym I recently had to clean up a customer's server . The preview dir had over 230k empty dirs!

                  # wc -l /tmp/deleted_dirs.txt 
                  231605 /tmp/deleted_dirs.txt
                  
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                    @mononym I recently had to clean up a customer's server . The preview dir had over 230k empty dirs!

                    # wc -l /tmp/deleted_dirs.txt 
                    231605 /tmp/deleted_dirs.txt
                    
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                    @joseph Yep, this was my installation 🤡

                    Thank you very much @joseph can't thank you enough.

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                      @mononym I recently had to clean up a customer's server . The preview dir had over 230k empty dirs!

                      # wc -l /tmp/deleted_dirs.txt 
                      231605 /tmp/deleted_dirs.txt
                      
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                      @joseph was there something added to the code to prevent the buildup of empty dirs?

                      Conscious tech

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                        @joseph was there something added to the code to prevent the buildup of empty dirs?

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                        @robi those directories were legit directories under user data and not created by some plugin . I think only @jagan can answer how so many directories can be created. Maybe they are synced from some external source.

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                          @robi those directories were legit directories under user data and not created by some plugin . I think only @jagan can answer how so many directories can be created. Maybe they are synced from some external source.

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                          @joseph oh geez, ok thx ☺️

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