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  3. Backups don't seem to be deleted according to policy....

Backups don't seem to be deleted according to policy....

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  • avatar1024A Offline
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    wrote last edited by avatar1024
    #1

    Very sorry if I'm missing something, but on all four instances, I have a lot more backups in the /mnt/cloudronbackups folder than it is indicated in the system backup UI (and I have of ran the Cleanup backups). And many of those extra backups are full system backups, not just apps. It's all taking a lot of disk space.

    All instance have the same retention policy (7 daily, 4 weekly, 12 monthly). The same backups are kept (i.e. the one you'd expect and the extra ones) across the instances. All on Cloudron 9.2.0 and backup are done to a Hetzner Storage Boxes via sshfs (backups work fine and don't fail).

    See below (this instance has two backup sites but it is exactly the same in my other instances with only one site).

    List in the UI:
    cb190b36-c79c-4186-aedd-61a08f6b08ec-image.jpeg

    List of extra backups when looking on the server in one of the destination/site:

    2025-11-24-020001-775/
    2025-11-24-200003-317/
    2025-11-25-000004-116/
    2025-11-25-000004-134/
    2025-11-25-020000-944/
    2025-11-25-200002-370/
    2025-11-26-000002-747/
    2025-11-26-000003-541/
    2025-11-26-020002-743/
    2025-11-27-000003-874/
    2025-11-27-000003-894/
    2025-11-27-020002-177/
    2025-11-27-200001-554/
    2025-11-28-000004-839/
    2025-11-28-000004-863/
    2025-11-28-000004-870/
    2025-11-28-020003-088/
    2025-11-28-200002-609/
    2025-11-29-000004-020/
    2025-11-29-000004-033/
    2025-11-29-020001-581/
    2025-11-29-200002-954/
    2025-11-30-000005-062/
    2025-11-30-000005-202/
    2025-11-30-020002-334/
    2025-11-30-200002-886/
    2025-12-01-020002-183/
    2025-12-01-200001-170/
    2025-12-02-000036-269/
    2025-12-02-200001-204/
    2025-12-03-000003-456/
    2025-12-03-000003-475/
    2025-12-03-000007-241/
    2025-12-03-000116-661/
    2025-12-03-200002-535/
    2025-12-04-000003-485/
    2025-12-04-020001-979/
    2025-12-04-200002-109/
    2025-12-05-000004-026/
    2025-12-05-000004-067/
    2025-12-05-020002-069/
    2025-12-05-200002-143/
    2025-12-06-000002-548/
    2025-12-06-020001-722/
    2025-12-06-200002-316/
    2025-12-07-000003-406/
    2025-12-07-000003-522/
    2025-12-07-000004-038/
    2025-12-07-020002-079/
    2025-12-07-200001-196/
    2025-12-08-000002-828/
    2025-12-08-000003-651/
    2025-12-08-020002-276/
    2025-12-08-200002-830/
    2025-12-09-000003-032/
    2025-12-09-020001-194/
    2025-12-09-200003-137/
    2025-12-10-020002-814/
    2025-12-10-200002-980/
    2025-12-11-000003-287/
    2025-12-11-000004-063/
    2025-12-11-020001-449/
    2025-12-11-200002-746/
    2025-12-12-000003-234/
    2025-12-12-000003-433/
    2025-12-12-000003-929/
    2025-12-12-020002-323/
    2025-12-12-200002-763/
    2025-12-13-000004-303/
    2025-12-13-000004-356/
    2025-12-13-000004-415/
    2025-12-13-020001-174/
    2025-12-13-200003-186/
    2025-12-14-020002-057/
    2025-12-14-200002-594/
    2025-12-15-000002-844/
    2025-12-15-000003-371/
    2025-12-15-020001-954/
    2025-12-15-200002-440/
    2025-12-16-000004-137/
    2025-12-16-000004-236/
    2025-12-16-020002-431/
    2025-12-17-200005-095/
    2025-12-18-000003-425/
    2025-12-18-000003-748/
    2025-12-18-000003-887/
    2025-12-18-000052-127/
    2025-12-18-000052-232/
    2025-12-18-020002-225/
    2025-12-18-200002-644/
    2025-12-19-000005-246/
    2025-12-19-000005-351/
    2025-12-19-020001-211/
    2025-12-20-000003-048/
    2025-12-20-020002-061/
    2025-12-21-000004-298/
    2025-12-21-000004-545/
    2025-12-21-020001-876/
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    2025-12-22-200002-153/
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    2025-12-24-000003-556/
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    2025-12-24-200002-186/
    2025-12-25-020001-120/
    2025-12-25-200001-920/
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    2025-12-26-200002-210/
    2025-12-27-000003-527/
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    2025-12-28-000004-484/
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    2025-12-30-020001-950/
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    2025-12-31-000003-778/
    2025-12-31-020001-079/
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    2026-01-01-000003-750/
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    2026-01-14-020002-497/
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    2026-01-15-200003-287/
    2026-01-16-000003-947/
    2026-01-16-020002-902/
    2026-01-16-200002-730/
    2026-01-17-000004-483/
    2026-01-17-000004-585/
    2026-01-17-000004-680/
    2026-01-17-020002-975/
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    2026-01-18-000003-819/
    2026-01-18-000004-438/
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    2026-01-19-000002-798/
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    And a slightly side question related to backups I couldn't find the answer to in the doc: what is the logic on mounting locations of the different remote backup sites on the file system?
    E.g. is the first site mounted at /mnt/cloudronbackup and the other in /mnt/managedbackups/siteX (I cannot check it myself cause I have removed my second backup location now)

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      #2

      Hello @avatar1024
      Thanks for reporting. I will look into it.

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        Hello @avatar1024
        Please share your configuration of the sshfs backup site.
        You can run the following command with ssh on your Cloudron system:

        mysql -h 127.0.0.1 -uroot -ppassword box -e "
        SELECT id, name, format, schedule, retentionJson,
               JSON_UNQUOTE(JSON_EXTRACT(configJson,'\$.prefix')) AS prefix,
               JSON_UNQUOTE(JSON_EXTRACT(configJson,'\$.mountOptions.remoteDir')) AS remoteDir,
               JSON_UNQUOTE(JSON_EXTRACT(configJson,'\$._managedMountPath')) AS mountPath
        FROM backupSites\G"
        

        Which will only show the needed values like this:

                   id: d9f639c4-49af-4c78-8615-d70e3e2aca0b
                 name: Hetnzer Storage Box SSHFS
               format: rsync
             schedule: 00 00 23 * * *
        retentionJson: {"keepWithinSecs":172800}
               prefix: my.cloudron.dev
            remoteDir: /home
            mountPath: /mnt/managedbackups/d9f639c4-49af-4c78-8615-d70e3e2aca0b
        
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          Hello @avatar1024
          Please share your configuration of the sshfs backup site.
          You can run the following command with ssh on your Cloudron system:

          mysql -h 127.0.0.1 -uroot -ppassword box -e "
          SELECT id, name, format, schedule, retentionJson,
                 JSON_UNQUOTE(JSON_EXTRACT(configJson,'\$.prefix')) AS prefix,
                 JSON_UNQUOTE(JSON_EXTRACT(configJson,'\$.mountOptions.remoteDir')) AS remoteDir,
                 JSON_UNQUOTE(JSON_EXTRACT(configJson,'\$._managedMountPath')) AS mountPath
          FROM backupSites\G"
          

          Which will only show the needed values like this:

                     id: d9f639c4-49af-4c78-8615-d70e3e2aca0b
                   name: Hetnzer Storage Box SSHFS
                 format: rsync
               schedule: 00 00 23 * * *
          retentionJson: {"keepWithinSecs":172800}
                 prefix: my.cloudron.dev
              remoteDir: /home
              mountPath: /mnt/managedbackups/d9f639c4-49af-4c78-8615-d70e3e2aca0b
          
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          wrote last edited by avatar1024
          #4

          @james Thanks for looking into this. Here is the output on one instance:

                                id: 59c06c3d-1e12-42ec-b63b-5259c8fed962
                              name: Default
                            format: rsync
                          schedule: 00 00 2,20 * * *
                     retentionJson: {"keepDaily":7,"keepWeekly":4,"keepMonthly":12}
                            prefix: 
                         remoteDir: /home/Gauthier/Backup
                         mountPath: /mnt/cloudronbackup
          

          And on another:

                     id: 547c3c3f-b9ee-42ff-afce-c7c84d259d2a
                   name: Default
                 format: rsync
               schedule: 00 00 1,20 * * *
          retentionJson: {"keepDaily":7,"keepWeekly":4,"keepMonthly":12}
                 prefix: 
              remoteDir: /home/Catalyst
              mountPath: /mnt/cloudronbackup
          
          
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            Hello @avatar1024

            Thank you.
            This matches with my findings.
            This only applies to sshfs and backup type rsync.
            When remoteDir is not /home the backup clean up is causing issues where snapshots and backups are not correctly deleted from the storage.
            Cloudron shows the backup/snapshot as deleted, but the storage still retains the data.

            I will discuss this issue with the team.

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              #6

              Thanks for investigating! Until this is resolve I'll delete the outdated backups manually by moving them into an "oldbackups" directory (inside the cloudronbackup directory) and then use rm -rf on the oldbackups directory periodically.

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