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Right, yes, that would make sense!

@nebulon Hetzner storagebox (Finland) and sshfs, rsync and encrypted filenames. 😄 The host fs (cloudron) is not a ssd (netcup).

Switching to hetzner feels good enough for now 😂. Full backup takes 30min for 21 apps. I've cancelled contabo storage service.
Hope this stays so snappy for the long run

I got it, thx. I will check

Hi @girish
By when can we expect a (stable) solution for this?

This is intentional and hardcoded https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/blob/master/src/cron.js#L6

If there is nothing to clean, this is a very cheap internal database lookup only.

@nottheend said in Backups aren’t being removed in Cloudron during Cleanup, maybe a bug.:

I already wanted to recover an app to a non existing version, but I was scared to break sth^^

You can always create a new install of app and test it out first. See import UI - https://docs.cloudron.io/backups/#import-app-backup

@mononym said in Cleanup Backups failure:

I guess the issue is in the settings then?

Check Backups -> Schedule and Retention -> Configure

@d19dotca Yes, that sounds good. We also fixed the logs view now in 7.5 to give a history of past logs. The current one is hard to work with when debugging such things.

The doc actually says "The Backup Cleaner checks if entries in the database exist in the storage backend and removes stale entries from the database automatically." I will fix the progress message to match this.

@girish said in Delete Local Backups:

Documented at https://docs.cloudron.io/backups/#old-local-backups

small typo there

s/snapshots/snapshot

@girish Ah, thank you. Found them. That freed up 22GB for me 😅

@girish Thank's a lot 👏👏

@michaelf I put some notes on how to read the logs at https://docs.cloudron.io/backups/#cleanup-backups and also replied to your support ticket. Do you see any backups in linode object storage that are not listed in the logs? Otherwise, the logs do look fine to me.

@girish that worked. Thanks

Not sure what was going on before but things appear to be working fine now.

Thank you @girish for the clarification on the different types of backups referenced in the log and the explanation that preserveSecs will remain for 3 weeks regardless of the normal backup retenetion period.

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@carbonbee So, you are saying that there are backups in S3 that are not listed in the Cloudron dashboard? And those backups are not getting removed?

I can confirm that, now that the lifecycle settings are correct, backups get physically deleted from B2.

Thank you everyone for the clear explanations as always. 🙏