Mailpiler - self hosted email archive

[marcusquinn]

@savity Yes, and it's already an Cloudron packaged and maintained app. I recommend it in many ways.

We also have Mailpiler packaged but not yet adopted by the Cloudron team, but have not pursued it further, since Espo is covering our needs.

[jsuto]

Hello, I'm glad to see that there was an initial work adding piler to the app store.
I've got a request recently from a Cloudron user that he wanted to use piler archiving. Can you update me about the current status about this initiative? Whether it's still relevant, or you need some help from my side, etc.

[marcusquinn]

• https://git.cloudron.io/vladimir.d/mailpiler

It works for us, just need adopting by Cloudron with tests and app store inclusion.

[LoudLemur]

@jsuto Thanks for mailpiler. What is the password for the demo? This ought to be written somewhere... more obvious...

[jsuto]

@LoudLemur When you visit https://demo.mailpiler.com/ you may find several account in the username:password format, eg.

admin@local:pilerrocks
auditor@local:auditor
fedora@redhat.com:redhat
external@local:external

Let me know if you have any further questions.

[jsuto]

@marcusquinn It's great news! Can you tell me whom should I contact to progress further?

[marcusquinn]

@jsuto I think that'll be the @appdev Group for community assistance finishing this, or @girish if he's interested in adding it to the App Store.

[jdaviescoates]

@jsuto said in Mailpiler - self hosted email archive:

@marcusquinn It's great news! Can you tell me whom should I contact to progress further?

I guess @staff would just need to give you access to https://git.cloudron.io/vladimir.d/mailpiler

[girish]

@marcusquinn @vladimir-d I have missed this one. Shall I move this to cloudron namespace and publish as unstable?

[marcusquinn]

@girish Sure, it's relatively simple and appears to work as intended. Testing from others would help.

[girish]

@marcusquinn thanks, I can get this published. @vladimir-d can you please put a license?

[timconsidine]

@girish yay ! Thank you.

[vladimir.d]

@girish the License has been added to the repository.
Please feel free to change anything if needed.

[m-si]

@girish First of of all, a huge thank you to all participants. This is huge step for seriuos mail providing especially in germany.... but, maybe I don't see the obvious. As it is published... am I able to install it via the appstore? Or do I have to use the cli route mentioned in vladimirs readme?

[LoudLemur]

@necrevistonnezr and @jsuto Thanks for this.

1. Mailpiler and ordinary people
   Mailpiler seems needed for corporations but I wonder how it might be useful to an ordinary person who self-hosts their email instead of using a proprietary service?

The archiving there would be just leaving mail on the server and/or downloading your mail too and keeping it locally with something like Thunderbird.

2. Importing Dumps of Mail

Sometimes, people grow fedup with proprietary solutions for mail and want to migrate to a self-hosted solution. Services like e.g. Gmail allow you to dump your entire accounts email and save it offline. Is Mailpiler able to "one-click" import a dump like that, so we could search it easily offline?

Anyway, thanks for your help on logging in and being able to see how pretty the archived mail looks in Mailpiler. It was funny looking through the Broadcom wireless issues in the Fedora archive. Why do they do it, really? Couldn't they just Free their drivers?!

[m-si]

@LoudLemur in germany there is a legal requirement for almost all businesses according to different laws and regulations to archive without the user haveing the option to modify, delete…so before it get‘s in the inbox. Additionally you have to find mechanisms to not archive personal information due to regulations of the GDPR/DSGVO. Very hairy therefore a solution like mailpiler was developed…

Mailpiler is a software to archive not to backup so a different usecase

[LoudLemur]

@m-si said in Mailpiler - self hosted email archive:

@LoudLemur in germany there is a legal requirement for almost all businesses according to different laws and regulations to archive without the user haveing the option to modify, delete…so before it get‘s in the inbox. Additionally you have to find mechanisms to not archive personal information due to regulations of the GDPR/DSGVO. Very hairy therefore a solution like mailpiler was developed…

Mailpiler is a software to archive not to backup so a different usecase

Wow! That is pretty much George Orwell / 1984 / Police State legislation right there. Was there much objection when it was being discussed/introduced?

[necrevistonnezr]

@LoudLemur
@m-si was not very precise: There's a requirement for businesses to archive business-related letters, emails etc. for a certain time (usually 5 years, up to 10 years) - for compliance, tax, and audit reasons.

[m-si]

@necrevistonnezr you are absolutely right. @LoudLemur as the same legislative rules already applied to the paper-based business communication for a long time before already... from the surveillance perspective you are right, but it is not the government but the business owners, that are collecting the information and need too anyway to fulfill the business. When I look from different angles on it, I even sort of can understand it.

• As a business owner it makes you safe in legal cases (HGB) or financial audits (AO, GoBD)...

• As an end-user/citizen I like the regulation because, that way it is a bit more difficult to mess around with taxes (I think taxes are fair as long as all of us pay them) and with the GDPR rules we in Europe are always able to ask for deletion, change and handing out of at least any personal information...

IMHO So there is as always a fine line between surveillance and the security/freedom we as a community deserve and rely on and in my eyes we as the technical enablers have to consult at that point wisely...

But I'm neither a judge nor a lawyer anyway

[lukas]

any progress here?