Mailpiler - self hosted email archive

[girish]

@marcusquinn thanks, I can get this published. @vladimir-d can you please put a license?

[timconsidine]

@girish yay ! Thank you.

[vladimir.d]

@girish the License has been added to the repository.
Please feel free to change anything if needed.

[m-si]

@girish First of of all, a huge thank you to all participants. This is huge step for seriuos mail providing especially in germany.... but, maybe I don't see the obvious. As it is published... am I able to install it via the appstore? Or do I have to use the cli route mentioned in vladimirs readme?

[LoudLemur]

@necrevistonnezr and @jsuto Thanks for this.

1. Mailpiler and ordinary people
   Mailpiler seems needed for corporations but I wonder how it might be useful to an ordinary person who self-hosts their email instead of using a proprietary service?

The archiving there would be just leaving mail on the server and/or downloading your mail too and keeping it locally with something like Thunderbird.

2. Importing Dumps of Mail

Sometimes, people grow fedup with proprietary solutions for mail and want to migrate to a self-hosted solution. Services like e.g. Gmail allow you to dump your entire accounts email and save it offline. Is Mailpiler able to "one-click" import a dump like that, so we could search it easily offline?

Anyway, thanks for your help on logging in and being able to see how pretty the archived mail looks in Mailpiler. It was funny looking through the Broadcom wireless issues in the Fedora archive. Why do they do it, really? Couldn't they just Free their drivers?!

[m-si]

@LoudLemur in germany there is a legal requirement for almost all businesses according to different laws and regulations to archive without the user haveing the option to modify, delete…so before it get‘s in the inbox. Additionally you have to find mechanisms to not archive personal information due to regulations of the GDPR/DSGVO. Very hairy therefore a solution like mailpiler was developed…

Mailpiler is a software to archive not to backup so a different usecase

[LoudLemur]

@m-si said in Mailpiler - self hosted email archive:

@LoudLemur in germany there is a legal requirement for almost all businesses according to different laws and regulations to archive without the user haveing the option to modify, delete…so before it get‘s in the inbox. Additionally you have to find mechanisms to not archive personal information due to regulations of the GDPR/DSGVO. Very hairy therefore a solution like mailpiler was developed…

Mailpiler is a software to archive not to backup so a different usecase

Wow! That is pretty much George Orwell / 1984 / Police State legislation right there. Was there much objection when it was being discussed/introduced?

[necrevistonnezr]

@LoudLemur
@m-si was not very precise: There's a requirement for businesses to archive business-related letters, emails etc. for a certain time (usually 5 years, up to 10 years) - for compliance, tax, and audit reasons.

[m-si]

@necrevistonnezr you are absolutely right. @LoudLemur as the same legislative rules already applied to the paper-based business communication for a long time before already... from the surveillance perspective you are right, but it is not the government but the business owners, that are collecting the information and need too anyway to fulfill the business. When I look from different angles on it, I even sort of can understand it.

• As a business owner it makes you safe in legal cases (HGB) or financial audits (AO, GoBD)...

• As an end-user/citizen I like the regulation because, that way it is a bit more difficult to mess around with taxes (I think taxes are fair as long as all of us pay them) and with the GDPR rules we in Europe are always able to ask for deletion, change and handing out of at least any personal information...

IMHO So there is as always a fine line between surveillance and the security/freedom we as a community deserve and rely on and in my eyes we as the technical enablers have to consult at that point wisely...

But I'm neither a judge nor a lawyer anyway

[lukas]

any progress here?

[Neiluj]

Hi all - trying to pick this up as it seems that there was a package ready to be deployed to the app store.
Curious to learn what is the hold up for this to happen, if there is currently one?

Many thanks to all

[girish]

@Neiluj the app is packaged but it doesn't work because the architecture conflicts a bit with Cloudron mail server. We have to implement a feature on Cloudron side to make the app work.

[Neiluj]

@girish said in Mailpiler - self hosted email archive:

@Neiluj the app is packaged but it doesn't work because the architecture conflicts a bit with Cloudron mail server. We have to implement a feature on Cloudron side to make the app work.

Hi @girish - Thanks for this.
Are you able to say if this is something that is likely to make it in the next update(s) (small-ish) or are we talking later down the lines (larger feature)?

It would be a shame to see 4 year old packaged app go to waste, especially since it seemed so close to be published. But I understand that some other features/changes might be of higher priority too.

[scooke]

This doesn't require a paid license? When I was checking out the website I suddenly saw a new menu item called Pricing, and it wasn't cheap! Are we going to install this and then realize, 1000s of email in, that we have to pay?

[Neiluj]

@scooke said in Mailpiler - self hosted email archive:

This doesn't require a paid license? When I was checking out the website I suddenly saw a new menu item called Pricing, and it wasn't cheap! Are we going to install this and then realize, 1000s of email in, that we have to pay?

My understanding is:

• The SaaS version (https://www.mailpiler.com) is price-bound.
• The open source version (https://www.mailpiler.org) is free to use.
  Source here: https://github.com/jsuto/piler?
  License info here: https://github.com/jsuto/piler?tab=License-1-ov-file#readme

More info here: https://www.mailpiler.org/comparison-to-the-enterprise-edition/

Possibly @jsuto could also confirm things - Please correct me if I am wrong.

[milian.hackradt]

To comply with local regulations, we really need a way to archive emails. As others pointed out before, the easiest way would be a feature to be able to set a BCC address for all emails.

If you do not want to add this feature, could you provide administators with a way to bind their own haraka plugins into the mail-addon container (without killing/overriding them on the next update) so we could implement the functionality ourself?

EDIT: I figured that this may not be the best place for such a discussion so I added a Feature Request.

[marcusquinn]

@milian.hackradt you can also use EspoCRM as an email archiver.

[milian.hackradt]

@marcusquinn Does this solution also archive all outgoing emails from inboxes and apps (like InvoiceNinja)?