Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end

[mario]

@doodlemania2 hm what do you mean by that? High performance backend needs to be accessible externally as the clients communicate with it via websocket.

[doodlemania2]

Yeah, sorry, I meant that signaling would be externally accessible, but it appears nats and janus do not as signaling just calls them. Does that sound about right or am I WAY off?

[doodlemania2]

Continuing to play with this. I think it's working, but I think more than just the signaling app needs access to the internet. I think the Janus bits need to be accessible as well. Currently, it's behind the docker net.

[doodlemania2]

Going to build Janus and dependencies from source (which will take some time) as the backports are old. While doing this, @nebulon is working on an update to TURN/STUN to enable API access in CR itself! See: https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/710

[jdaviescoates]

@doodlemania2 have you managed to make any further progress with getting this packaged? Thanks!

[doodlemania2]

Hi @jdaviescoates - yep - we need to wait for an update to Box to support Auth API things on the Turn server. cc: @girish

[girish]

Yup, we will add it in Cloudron 6

[jdaviescoates]

Sounds tantalisingly close, thanks @doodlemania2 @girish !

[jdaviescoates]

@jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end:

Sounds tantalisingly close, thanks @doodlemania2 @girish !

In the meantime, Nextcloud 20 is going to make it easy to sign-up to a hosted Nextcloud High Performance Backend

See:
https://nextcloud.com/press/pr20201003-6/
https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-hub-20-debuts-dashboard-unifies-search-and-notifications-integrates-with-other-technologies/93838
https://www.spreed.eu/contact-nextcloud-talk-high-performance-backend/

[doodlemania2]

I've got a very early prototype of this working - it just needs some API fun from the Cloudron TURN feature sets. https://git.cloudron.io/doodlemania2/nthpbe

[jdaviescoates]

Exciting, thanks @doodlemania2!

[oj]

@doodlemania2 You might be interested in this: Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend with Stun/Turnserver on Ubuntu with docker-compose

[girish]

@doodlemania2 To continue the discussion from the other thread about the TURN server requirements.

Per https://markus-blog.de/index.php/2020/07/30/how-to-install-nextcloud-talk-high-performance-backend-with-stun-turnserver-on-ubuntu/, the turnserver only requires a static-auth-secret and that is already set in existing turn server. I guess you are referring to the turn_rest_api_key in the janus configs? That secret is generated and shared between janus and nextcloud-spreed-signaling server from what I can understand. I think the existing turn service should work as-is.

[doodlemania2]

@girish oh no! i'm so sorry to have held us all up so long
okay - let me re-start my efforts and will study it more closely in addition to @oj 's and others suggestions to look at a prebuilt docker for inspiration.

[jdaviescoates]

@doodlemania2 said in Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end:

okay - let me re-start my efforts and will study it more closely in addition to @oj 's and others suggestions to look at a prebuilt docker for inspiration.

Did you manage to have another look? Would be so great to have this!

[doodlemania2]

@jdaviescoates I haven't yet and I feel really bad about it - work has been all consuming of late. It's literally at the top of my list, just haven't had a chance! I promise more soon fast as I can!

[jdaviescoates]

@doodlemania2 don't feel bad about it!

But also, great, thanks!

[doodlemania2]

@jdaviescoates I've been trying to get this to work but it just doesn't (based on the docker-compose example). I've reached out to the author of the blog to see if he can assist!

[doodlemania2]

this is ready for testing - please send me a DM if you'd like to try it out!

[girish]

@doodlemania2 great news! Is https://git.cloudron.io/doodlemania2/nthpbe still the latest repo because it says the commits are from 9 months ago.

[doodlemania2]

@girish we can delete that repo actually - instead of creating a fully packaged cloudron custom app, I decided to offer this to the cloudron community for free* from my VPSs.

*standard "be nice folks" or I turn it off

[doodlemania2]

@girish - i'm really embarassed it took that long (9 months!!!)

[jdaviescoates]

@doodlemania2 that's very kind of you!

But it'd still be great to have an app too. Was it just too difficult to package or something?

Thanks for all your efforts!

[doodlemania2]

@jdaviescoates like comical... way too many moving parts

[coniunctio]

@doodlemania2 Are you still sharing access to the Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end that you have created? If so, how may I contact you to test it?

[doodlemania2]

@coniunctio Pinged you on DM!

[m-si]

I would realy love to see this happening as HPB is a gamechanger for bigger nextclouds. @doodlemania2 do you think that looking into https://github.com/deeztek/deeztek-docker/tree/master/Linux/nextcloud-spreed-signaling might help you with your packageing?

[doodlemania2]

@m-si someone may find a way to package it, however, I've found it to be much easier to run a dedicated set of servers for NTHPBE. I offer it to clients for a pretty low fee in either US or DE if you are at all interested.

[mudassar]

hi all, to bring up something from long ago, is there any chance this may pop up?

[doodlemania2]

@mudassar still offering the service for users - ping me on DM if interested.