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  • marcusquinnM Offline
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    marcusquinn
    wrote on last edited by
    #21

    @girish @nebulon I wonder if would help to have a Group for those that are willing and able to offer App packaging services?

    https://forum.cloudron.io/groups

    I'm a fan of role-based systems, and maybe the forum Groups can help make the community a profitable way to share business too?

    Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
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    • girishG Offline
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      #22

      @marcusquinn Sure, can create one. What would be best way for a person in this forum to get into this group though ? I am happy to make you a mod of that group as well (if such a role exists in nodebb)

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      • girishG girish

        @marcusquinn Sure, can create one. What would be best way for a person in this forum to get into this group though ? I am happy to make you a mod of that group as well (if such a role exists in nodebb)

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        #23

        @girish I guess just have a thread for it and let people request that role if they are into packaging.

        Could be easier to @mention a group if there's Qs specifically for those with that experience.

        Just thinking to work with what we have so your focus is preserved for your roadmap.

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        Development https://brandlight.org
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          plusone-nick
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          #24

          Ive got a good conceptual grasp on cloudron but am not able to yet package. I AM able to sell and support and would love for this community to have the ability to pay for & reliably find engineers to package apps that clients want =]

          ✌💙+1

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          • marcusquinnM Offline
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            wrote on last edited by
            #25

            Noting none of the apps I've listed above are listed here: https://forum.cloudron.io/tags/wip

            May I ask for some business consideration in the App wishlist priorities? There are some significantly valuable apps in my list but I'm currently without the spare capacity to assist directly.

            Anyone else here interested in these apps? Particularly Odoo, Directus, NodeRed. All apps I think the community would find very valuable too.

            Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
            Development https://brandlight.org
            Life https://marcusquinn.com

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            • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

              Noting none of the apps I've listed above are listed here: https://forum.cloudron.io/tags/wip

              May I ask for some business consideration in the App wishlist priorities? There are some significantly valuable apps in my list but I'm currently without the spare capacity to assist directly.

              Anyone else here interested in these apps? Particularly Odoo, Directus, NodeRed. All apps I think the community would find very valuable too.

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              plusone-nick
              wrote on last edited by
              #26

              @marcusquinn i second Directus & NodeRED, Odoo would also be useful!

              ✌💙+1

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              • girishG Offline
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                wrote on last edited by
                #27

                I tried to get https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/directus-app going here, let's see.

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                • P plusone-nick

                  @marcusquinn i second Directus & NodeRED, Odoo would also be useful!

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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #28

                  @plusone-nick Odoo has the best accounting module of any FOSS app I've ever tested.

                  It's a solid alternative to Xero / Quickbooks / Salesforce / Magento / Wordpress etc. I have a feeling it will be as popular here as Nextcloud seems to be, and it has Nextcloud integrations.

                  Pivot tables on everything is a killer feature — a surprisingly rare feature in other apps.

                  Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                  Development https://brandlight.org
                  Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                  • girishG girish

                    I tried to get https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/directus-app going here, let's see.

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                    #29

                    @girish Sorry, re-reading, hope my comment didn't come across as ungrateful.

                    I just saw the list of WIP apps being more hobbyist focused but the best of the bunch business and framework apps on Cloudron I'd hope will also attract more developers and dev-ops brains to the community that should find the convenience and have more experience to help evolve these apps and new ones.

                    I realise each app is maintenance and experience for working through issues but they are the kind of apps I think you'll get more qualified assistance with that sort of thing.

                    Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                    Development https://brandlight.org
                    Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                      @girish Sorry, re-reading, hope my comment didn't come across as ungrateful.

                      I just saw the list of WIP apps being more hobbyist focused but the best of the bunch business and framework apps on Cloudron I'd hope will also attract more developers and dev-ops brains to the community that should find the convenience and have more experience to help evolve these apps and new ones.

                      I realise each app is maintenance and experience for working through issues but they are the kind of apps I think you'll get more qualified assistance with that sort of thing.

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                      girish
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #30

                      @marcusquinn No offense taken at all 🙂 We get asked in support non-stop about all sorts of apps. I think many are even willing to pay for it but under estimate the actual cost of packaging an app.

                      Let me provide some numbers for clarity. Each app is usually atleast 1 week of full time work for us including packaging, testing and writing automated tests etc (and of course maintaining it forever). So, we have to justify the cost on our side before we start packaging an app. We have to factor in how much we think the app will be used and whether we can support it at all.

                      To bring some closure to this topic, if an app is required urgently and if you are willing to sponsor the work, please factor in for atleast 40 hours of our time and then feel free to reach out to us at support@cloudron.io. Otherwise, rest assured, we will continue to package new apps primarily based on how many votes it gets in the forum, it just takes time. If you can rally users on the forum to vote on the app you need (maybe interesting info about it, use cases etc), it will already help getting it packaged soon 😉

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                      • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                        @murgero The App Wishlist section works well - but I respect that not everyone can do everything for free for someone else's need, I'm suggesting sponsoring Apps on the Wishlist.

                        Similar to GitHub Sponsored development - and maybe that would be the most appropriate place to do the sponsoring, that or quite simply Paypal. Developer gives an amount they could justify working on something for, sponsor maybe pays half up-front and half on approval or something.

                        It seems like the kind of community that is working well on collaboration, trust and reputation anyway, so it's just a way to respect the value of a queue jump for those of us that have niche needs that might not otherwise get enough Upvotes.

                        As an example, I'd like sponsor Directus and Odoo Apps completions.

                        If you thought I meant a Desktop App, that's easy enough to create with https://webcatalogapp.com for those that like their WebApps separated as I do.

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                        robi
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                        #31

                        If you thought I meant a Desktop App, that's easy enough to create with https://webcatalogapp.com for those that like their WebApps separated as I do.

                        Ooh, thanks for mentioning Webcatalog. I tried using Rambox but it didn't inspire me to use it.

                        Surprised the Webcatalog guys don't have it in their table matrix.

                        Conscious tech

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                        • robiR robi

                          If you thought I meant a Desktop App, that's easy enough to create with https://webcatalogapp.com for those that like their WebApps separated as I do.

                          Ooh, thanks for mentioning Webcatalog. I tried using Rambox but it didn't inspire me to use it.

                          Surprised the Webcatalog guys don't have it in their table matrix.

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                          marcusquinn
                          wrote on last edited by marcusquinn
                          #32

                          @robi Yeah, love it for separating responsibilities and head-spaces, it's not a full browser, so expectations accordingly. This is how I have my Cloudron stuff in WebCalatog for interest:

                          Screenshot 2020-09-26 at 13.52.57.png

                          Also, recently changed to using Vivaldi browser as my daily workhorse, and very happy with that.

                          Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                          Development https://brandlight.org
                          Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                          • girishG girish

                            @marcusquinn No offense taken at all 🙂 We get asked in support non-stop about all sorts of apps. I think many are even willing to pay for it but under estimate the actual cost of packaging an app.

                            Let me provide some numbers for clarity. Each app is usually atleast 1 week of full time work for us including packaging, testing and writing automated tests etc (and of course maintaining it forever). So, we have to justify the cost on our side before we start packaging an app. We have to factor in how much we think the app will be used and whether we can support it at all.

                            To bring some closure to this topic, if an app is required urgently and if you are willing to sponsor the work, please factor in for atleast 40 hours of our time and then feel free to reach out to us at support@cloudron.io. Otherwise, rest assured, we will continue to package new apps primarily based on how many votes it gets in the forum, it just takes time. If you can rally users on the forum to vote on the app you need (maybe interesting info about it, use cases etc), it will already help getting it packaged soon 😉

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                            marcusquinn
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #33

                            @girish That's very fair. I'll see what I can do this end, I've also kept 10 devs busy with a long ticket backlog, so just trying to get some projects closed off to free them up.

                            Seeing a few new active devs here working on proof-of-concept work is great to see too, so doing what I can on the share-the-joy mentioning to try to get more involved too.

                            Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                            Development https://brandlight.org
                            Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                              jdaviescoates
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #34

                              Anyone up for packaging 4minitz?

                              Seems @marcusquinn up for sponsoring it:

                              https://forum.cloudron.io/post/13804

                              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                              • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                Anyone up for packaging 4minitz?

                                Seems @marcusquinn up for sponsoring it:

                                https://forum.cloudron.io/post/13804

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                                marcusquinn
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #35

                                @jdaviescoates Sure, I have an awkward situation to handle at the mo, while going through a business review, otherwise I'd be much more budget happy — but I can sneak our a few pounds/euros/dollars here and there through Paypal to help the cause if anyone needs to justify their time on these things.

                                Odoo & 4minitz would help a lot, and I think be very good for the community.

                                NodeRED is a bit more specialist but useful to many developers.

                                Trying to avoid distracting the core team because their roadmap is equally valuable, so don't want to jump the queue on that.

                                Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                                Development https://brandlight.org
                                Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                                • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                  @jdaviescoates Sure, I have an awkward situation to handle at the mo, while going through a business review, otherwise I'd be much more budget happy — but I can sneak our a few pounds/euros/dollars here and there through Paypal to help the cause if anyone needs to justify their time on these things.

                                  Odoo & 4minitz would help a lot, and I think be very good for the community.

                                  NodeRED is a bit more specialist but useful to many developers.

                                  Trying to avoid distracting the core team because their roadmap is equally valuable, so don't want to jump the queue on that.

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                                  Lonkle
                                  wrote on last edited by Lonkle
                                  #36

                                  @marcusquinn Send the Git links of Odoo + 4minitz and I'll take a look! ☺️

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                                  • LonkleL Lonkle

                                    @marcusquinn Send the Git links of Odoo + 4minitz and I'll take a look! ☺️

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                                    marcusquinn
                                    wrote on last edited by marcusquinn
                                    #37

                                    @Lonk I think @samir started something with Odoo but it needs work:

                                    • https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1256/odoo-distributed-business-apps
                                    • https://git.cloudron.io/altsyst/odoo-ce-app

                                    4minitz is a new request but more detail here:

                                    • https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2763/4minitz-free-webapp-for-taking-meeting-minutes

                                    I can probably sneak out a few hundred bucks in compensation but I have to be a bit respectful at the mo on that since I should be giving my own team bonuses that are waiting on a few business developments.

                                    Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                                    Development https://brandlight.org
                                    Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                                      robi
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                                      #38

                                      if you get a gitpod link to the various WIP apps, i'm sure more folks will pitch in since it's easy to collaborate.

                                      Conscious tech

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                                      • robiR robi

                                        if you get a gitpod link to the various WIP apps, i'm sure more folks will pitch in since it's easy to collaborate.

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                                        marcusquinn
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                                        #39

                                        @robi Sorry, is Gitpod something different to here? https://git.cloudron.io/explore/projects

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                                        • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                          @Lonk I think @samir started something with Odoo but it needs work:

                                          • https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1256/odoo-distributed-business-apps
                                          • https://git.cloudron.io/altsyst/odoo-ce-app

                                          4minitz is a new request but more detail here:

                                          • https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2763/4minitz-free-webapp-for-taking-meeting-minutes

                                          I can probably sneak out a few hundred bucks in compensation but I have to be a bit respectful at the mo on that since I should be giving my own team bonuses that are waiting on a few business developments.

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                                          Lonkle
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                                          #40

                                          @marcusquinn Sounds good to me, I like to learn and think this is a great learning opportunity for me! Do you have any special requirements aside from converting it into a Cloudron app? And do you need both apps converted or just 4minitz?

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