Sponsored App Creation
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@girish Sorry, re-reading, hope my comment didn't come across as ungrateful.
I just saw the list of WIP apps being more hobbyist focused but the best of the bunch business and framework apps on Cloudron I'd hope will also attract more developers and dev-ops brains to the community that should find the convenience and have more experience to help evolve these apps and new ones.
I realise each app is maintenance and experience for working through issues but they are the kind of apps I think you'll get more qualified assistance with that sort of thing.
@marcusquinn No offense taken at all
We get asked in support non-stop about all sorts of apps. I think many are even willing to pay for it but under estimate the actual cost of packaging an app.Let me provide some numbers for clarity. Each app is usually atleast 1 week of full time work for us including packaging, testing and writing automated tests etc (and of course maintaining it forever). So, we have to justify the cost on our side before we start packaging an app. We have to factor in how much we think the app will be used and whether we can support it at all.
To bring some closure to this topic, if an app is required urgently and if you are willing to sponsor the work, please factor in for atleast 40 hours of our time and then feel free to reach out to us at support@cloudron.io. Otherwise, rest assured, we will continue to package new apps primarily based on how many votes it gets in the forum, it just takes time. If you can rally users on the forum to vote on the app you need (maybe interesting info about it, use cases etc), it will already help getting it packaged soon
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@murgero The App Wishlist section works well - but I respect that not everyone can do everything for free for someone else's need, I'm suggesting sponsoring Apps on the Wishlist.
Similar to GitHub Sponsored development - and maybe that would be the most appropriate place to do the sponsoring, that or quite simply Paypal. Developer gives an amount they could justify working on something for, sponsor maybe pays half up-front and half on approval or something.
It seems like the kind of community that is working well on collaboration, trust and reputation anyway, so it's just a way to respect the value of a queue jump for those of us that have niche needs that might not otherwise get enough Upvotes.
As an example, I'd like sponsor Directus and Odoo Apps completions.
If you thought I meant a Desktop App, that's easy enough to create with https://webcatalogapp.com for those that like their WebApps separated as I do.
If you thought I meant a Desktop App, that's easy enough to create with https://webcatalogapp.com for those that like their WebApps separated as I do.
Ooh, thanks for mentioning Webcatalog. I tried using Rambox but it didn't inspire me to use it.
Surprised the Webcatalog guys don't have it in their table matrix.
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If you thought I meant a Desktop App, that's easy enough to create with https://webcatalogapp.com for those that like their WebApps separated as I do.
Ooh, thanks for mentioning Webcatalog. I tried using Rambox but it didn't inspire me to use it.
Surprised the Webcatalog guys don't have it in their table matrix.
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@marcusquinn No offense taken at all
We get asked in support non-stop about all sorts of apps. I think many are even willing to pay for it but under estimate the actual cost of packaging an app.Let me provide some numbers for clarity. Each app is usually atleast 1 week of full time work for us including packaging, testing and writing automated tests etc (and of course maintaining it forever). So, we have to justify the cost on our side before we start packaging an app. We have to factor in how much we think the app will be used and whether we can support it at all.
To bring some closure to this topic, if an app is required urgently and if you are willing to sponsor the work, please factor in for atleast 40 hours of our time and then feel free to reach out to us at support@cloudron.io. Otherwise, rest assured, we will continue to package new apps primarily based on how many votes it gets in the forum, it just takes time. If you can rally users on the forum to vote on the app you need (maybe interesting info about it, use cases etc), it will already help getting it packaged soon
@girish That's very fair. I'll see what I can do this end, I've also kept 10 devs busy with a long ticket backlog, so just trying to get some projects closed off to free them up.
Seeing a few new active devs here working on proof-of-concept work is great to see too, so doing what I can on the share-the-joy mentioning to try to get more involved too.
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Anyone up for packaging 4minitz?
Seems @marcusquinn up for sponsoring it:
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Anyone up for packaging 4minitz?
Seems @marcusquinn up for sponsoring it:
@jdaviescoates Sure, I have an awkward situation to handle at the mo, while going through a business review, otherwise I'd be much more budget happy — but I can sneak our a few pounds/euros/dollars here and there through Paypal to help the cause if anyone needs to justify their time on these things.
Odoo & 4minitz would help a lot, and I think be very good for the community.
NodeRED is a bit more specialist but useful to many developers.
Trying to avoid distracting the core team because their roadmap is equally valuable, so don't want to jump the queue on that.
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@jdaviescoates Sure, I have an awkward situation to handle at the mo, while going through a business review, otherwise I'd be much more budget happy — but I can sneak our a few pounds/euros/dollars here and there through Paypal to help the cause if anyone needs to justify their time on these things.
Odoo & 4minitz would help a lot, and I think be very good for the community.
NodeRED is a bit more specialist but useful to many developers.
Trying to avoid distracting the core team because their roadmap is equally valuable, so don't want to jump the queue on that.
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@marcusquinn Send the Git links of Odoo + 4minitz and I'll take a look!
️@Lonk I think @samir started something with Odoo but it needs work:
- https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1256/odoo-distributed-business-apps
- https://git.cloudron.io/altsyst/odoo-ce-app
4minitz is a new request but more detail here:
I can probably sneak out a few hundred bucks in compensation but I have to be a bit respectful at the mo on that since I should be giving my own team bonuses that are waiting on a few business developments.
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if you get a gitpod link to the various WIP apps, i'm sure more folks will pitch in since it's easy to collaborate.
@robi Sorry, is Gitpod something different to here? https://git.cloudron.io/explore/projects
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@Lonk I think @samir started something with Odoo but it needs work:
- https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1256/odoo-distributed-business-apps
- https://git.cloudron.io/altsyst/odoo-ce-app
4minitz is a new request but more detail here:
I can probably sneak out a few hundred bucks in compensation but I have to be a bit respectful at the mo on that since I should be giving my own team bonuses that are waiting on a few business developments.
@marcusquinn Sounds good to me, I like to learn and think this is a great learning opportunity for me! Do you have any special requirements aside from converting it into a Cloudron app? And do you need both apps converted or just 4minitz?
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Seems to be 3 x Odoo:
2 x Directus:
Nothing for 4minitz yet but I think I just reignited interest in that.
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@marcusquinn Sounds good to me, I like to learn and think this is a great learning opportunity for me! Do you have any special requirements aside from converting it into a Cloudron app? And do you need both apps converted or just 4minitz?
@Lonk Just that I have to focus on my day-job and family-care needs at the mo, so really just getting things Cloudron App Store approved, launch and go. Forum chat I can manage as it's just another chat app in my chatty day. My days of getting to dig into anything more than that are long gone I'm afraid, that's the price of getting old, you have more people relying on you not being on a computer
For that to happen they need the unit-tests written:
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@marcusquinn Sounds good to me, I like to learn and think this is a great learning opportunity for me! Do you have any special requirements aside from converting it into a Cloudron app? And do you need both apps converted or just 4minitz?
@Lonk Sorry, didn't answer fully. Yeah, Odoo & 4minitz would help a lot right now. Odoo I have a load of work on another VPS I could shut down if I could migrate it here.
4minitz I think will help anyone with a company or team.
I'm hoping for Direcutus too, which @murgero kindly started. I detailed more on the forum thread for that as to why.
They are the kind of apps I can quickly help a bunch of people with, in our own business and others.
Also they are the kind of apps that I think will give a lot of features that just any user or developer would find inspiring, either working with them or replicating features from.
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@marcusquinn Completely understand that! I have a yearning to learn tho so, just list out your priorities (so I know what app to work on first), and as I convert each one and get them approved to the Cloudron App Store, we can talk about doing the next one (if needed, other people might be working on the other two for their own reasons)?
Thanks for the automated test forum link, I didn't realize that was needed and will add that to my OpenVPN Client app as well!
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- 4minitz (it just jumped the queue as I could use that for my biz and friends biz straight away)
- Odoo
- Directus
- NodeRED
- Take ya pick: https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2798/sponsored-app-creation/12
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Maybe a better link for seeing what's what: https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron
For some reason it's a few clicks from the home page to find that list. I mostly use GitLab.com so the CE version is a bit different to me as I usually have the Activity feed as my GitLab home page.
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@marcusquinn Thanks for sending me those extra resources that I'll likely need to get my first app into the App Store; I'll let ya know as soon as I make this Cloudron App Store ready!
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@robi Sorry, is Gitpod something different to here? https://git.cloudron.io/explore/projects
@marcusquinn said in Sponsored App Creation:
@robi Sorry, is Gitpod something different to here? https://git.cloudron.io/explore/projects
Yes, you can google it or just visit the gitpod site for more.
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@marcusquinn said in Sponsored App Creation:
@robi Sorry, is Gitpod something different to here? https://git.cloudron.io/explore/projects
Yes, you can google it or just visit the gitpod site for more.
@robi Interesting, not seen that before, we're mostly Atom / Jetbrains & GitHub Desktop / CLI. Is git.cloudron.io already setup with GitPod or is that the proposal?
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