Budibase: an open source, no code platform
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@doodlemania2 Yes, true, that has become apparent as I play on self-host version.
Going to leave my instance on self-host and don't expect budibase in Cloudron.
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woud love to see it on cloudron indeed
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@potemkin_ai : I was really impressed with Budibase and what they were doing when I first met it.
They have since moved to a much more constrained model of users, as they envision or target the app creation to 'intranet' style apps. One where users are known and invited, no public sign up.
It is still a powerful system but it does not suit the majority of my use cases at present.
I think they have gone fully web interface, so I don't see many benefits to it being in Cloudron. If I was to use it, I would spin up a VPS to run it and deploy apps created in it.
I still like it as a system, just doesn't fit all the needs that it did earlier in its development when the user model was looser.
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@timconsidine Budibase indeed seems like building something very complex, but I would like not to think about the updates and other stuff and just enjoy using it like I use n8n.
They are not pushing to the cloud platform, by the way - if you try to register at the cloud, they state that for production use they recommend using self hosted instance.
And, just out of curiosity - did you find any good replacement for budibase for the outside world facing apps?
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@potemkin_ai good to know
No I didn't find a good alternative to Budibase, which is why I am not against it at all.
There are a couple, but grey hair is that I can't recall names just now.
I started to look at Flutter as development environment, but have had to break from it for a while.
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@timconsidine if anything pops up - please, share
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@potemkin_ai in terms of open source alt to Budibase the only other one is GrapesJS IMO - although it is pretty different.
For my current development platform I use Wappler.io its not open source but it is very rich in features. Can generate static html sites and drop them into surfer or can leverage LAMP and use PHP for dynamic sites. It also has a nodeJS option but I have yet to package an app for cloudron.
✌💙+1
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@plusone-nick nice, I used Mobirise for a bit to make simple sites for ZeroNet.io
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@potemkin_ai I think Budibase is much more than GrapesJS or form/page designers, it offers good CRUD functionality and is true NoCode/LoCode. It does bring together very nicely the UI front-end building and the back-end DB functionality in one system.
Maybe you can combine a front-end builder with something Directus or Parse (or https://www.back4app.com/).
I noticed this https://github.com/ToolJet/ToolJet but haven't tried it. You could look at https://www.saashub.com/100-plus-no-code-resources-alternatives or https://www.nocodedevs.com/ncd-tools for many others, but often quite niche, not as open/flexible as Budibase.
But sadly still cannot recall the one I find which was closer to Budibase. Maybe inspiration will strike.
If you can live with the invited-user model of Budibase, it is exceptional. Maybe a 2 step process which allows for a previously unknown user to sign-up with simple form, which then generates a Budibase app user invitation could be a work-around.
Although note that once a user is registered into a Budibase deployment, they get a login to a 'portal' of apps they are permissioned for. Very powerful but the user journey may not be what you want.
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@potemkin_ai : I think JoGet was the one I was thinking of
https://www.joget.org/product/Not as slick as Budibase but interesting
Or possibly https://www.rintagi.com/
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@potemkin_ai : I also played with https://github.com/saltcorn/saltcorn / https://saltcorn.com/
It's similar in concept to Budibase, but lighter weight.
I liked it but stopped experimenting when I found that it was easy to 'hack' page links because they were fully exposed in the browser url (could edit the url and go to a page you were probably should not). Maybe they have changed this as it seems in ongoing development and I tried it >1 yr ago.
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@robi zeronet.io is very interesting concept
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@timconsidine Yes, there is a fork in progress:
https://github.com/zeronet-enhanced/ZeroNet/commits/massive-rework
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Received from Budibase today:
Budibase is out of beta and live on Product Hunt
Today's the big day!
We're proud to announce Budibase is out of beta and we've just launched on Product Hunt
.Any feedback / support appreciated
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@plusone-nick @timconsidine thank you very much for sharing!
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@jeau said in Budibase: an open source, no code platform:
We're proud
Hi Joe;
I'm very pleased to see you in the Cloudron community;
for me BudiBase is a serious challenger, and even better, to Notion and ClickUp.
I can't wait to host it on my Cloudron. -
Can I use this app to build a one-page html "responsive" site? If not, what would you recommend?
Currently, using Wordpress but it's an overkill for a static page.
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@humptydumpty said in Budibase: an open source, no code platform:
Can I use this app to build a one-page html "responsive" site?
Personally I think Budibase would be overkill for that.
I would look at Ghost or Grav if you want an interface to building and posting content.
Or just a Surfer or LAMP app with a free HTML template (thousands available, but look at https://html5up.net or https://pixelarity.com/) if you're ok with coding a page -
@timconsidine I'm using Ghost for my personal blog but haven't figured out how to build a static page without knowing how to code.
Ideally, I'm looking for a page builder (think Elementor, WP Bakery, etc.) that I can use to build a static html page then save the project so I can easily modify things in the future. It looks like Grav fits the bill. Thanks for the recommendation!
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@humptydumpty if your target page is going to be fairly static (not regular content changes), you could look at https://grapesjs.com which allows you to 'scaffold' out a page with drag'n'drop components.
Then copy/paste the built page (use the View Code button to download an HTML file and a CSS file) into something like Surfer (here on Cloudron) or a LAMP instance. -
@timconsidine Just perfect! Thanks!
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What happened to this? Was someone here packaging it? Something we can help with?
I can see it, at a minimum, being a useful tool for creating web forms.
We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
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@humptydumpty Or Gramateria wraps up GrapesJS nicely: https://forum.cloudron.io/post/43190
We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
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@marcusquinn it's not good for forms to be completed by the public/unregistered users, as I understand it.
It's a good system, but it's aimed at a "portal" type deployment, users to be registered by admin or invited by email. -
UPDATE : I may be out of date
There is still a user model based on registered users in your community/enterprise/portal.
But I just read there is support for public screens now (may have missed it)
Apologies if I misled anyoneBut it is complex to install as a Cloudron app.
I installed mine using their scripts on a VPS for docker installations. -
@marcusquinn thanks for pointing this out!
It feels like a different set of product, quite interesting, but doesn’t seem to updates too often… -
@marcusquinn
not impossible to containerize it, but almost impossible to do it for cloudron.
It needs to be installed with docker-compose because it uses multiple docker containers to run:- CouchDB (the only primary DB supported)
- Minio
- Main Container
- Worker (execute most of the process)
- Proxy
- watchtower (this is not needed in a Cloudron install)
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Another example of it being useful to have Cloudron LDAP able to server others apps as well then.
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@humptydumpty said in Budibase: an open source, no code platform:
Can I use this app to build a one-page html "responsive" site? If not, what would you recommend?
I see Budibase as an alternative to Notion (and so ClickUp and Asana) and while it is possible to build a blog/website with Notion, I also agreed with @timconsidine, none of these solutions are the best for that kind of task unless you want to learn through the process. The main reason is these apps would act as a database for your one page (like MySQL for WordPress).
Usually a database in a website is to generate dynamically page and content
So if your goal is to have a one-page website, well that is like building a complete office tower only to use one office.For a quick and fast one-page, I often use Hugo with WowChemy.
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@JOduMonT thanks for pointer to WowChemy.
Or at it will always be now in mind due to bleary eyes : WowCherry -
@joebudi Hi Joe !
You know I'm a fan of Budibase (although personal circumstances have prevented me exploring further).
In principle yes !
The 'in principle' is about what "add-on" means.
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@joebudi there is an existing entry for Budibase in App Wishlist
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4253/budibase-an-open-source-no-code-platform?_=1653849998039
We're not supposed to open duplicates !
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timconsidine
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Hey @timconsidine
Maybe my post was not clear - apologies. What I am asking is would members of this community find value in a Budibase package/app on the Cloudron app store:
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@joebudi ok, thought you probably meant that, but wasn't entirely sure.
My answer would be emphatically yes !
I've previously believed it is too complex for Cloudron packaging (multiple containers etc.), but you're the tech whizz.Certainly Budibase has been mentioned in a few threads.
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@timconsidine We're currently working on a single docker image deployment for Budibase. We plan on releasing this in a couple of weeks. This should enable the above.
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@joebudi hi and welcome to our forum! We would happily work together with you on a Budibase app package. In our experience working closely together with upstream is always super helpful in initial packaging as well as ongoing updates for smooth data migration.
To give a very rough overview on Cloudron packages, they are Dockerimage based, the apps need to run in a read-only filesystem, where
/app/datais writeable for persistent data, while/tmpand/runare for transient data. Further Cloudron comes with shared services like databases, which we call addons. You can find them here to avoid duplicating common services per app and for databases, ensure data dumps are coherent for backups, restore or app cloning. -
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I was wondering if the Cloudron community would be interested in a Budibase add-on?
For viewers who don't know, Budibase is an open-source low code platform for building internal tools. You can connect your SQL database and generate responsive CRUD apps in a couple of clicks. You can find out more info on the Budibase Github repo.
The reason for this post is to understand the level of interest for this add-on so I (cofounder) can add weight to my proposal at our next roadmap meeting.
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@joebudi said in Budibase: an open source, no code platform:
I was wondering if the Cloudron community would be interested in a Budibase add-on?
For viewers who don't know, Budibase is an open-source low code platform for building internal tools. You can connect your SQL database and generate responsive CRUD apps in a couple of clicks. You can find out more info on the Budibase Github repo.
The reason for this post is to understand the level of interest for this add-on so I (cofounder) can add weight to my proposal at our next roadmap meeting.
+1 on this!
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girish
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@joebudi i'd very much be interested in this!
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@joebudi yep, would love to see it on CloudRon
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@joebudi +1 for Budibase
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@joebudi - I've been playing around with an environment hosted by Budibase. I would love to see this packaged with Cloudron at some point because it meets almost all of my needs and all of the apps I want to integrate with it are already on Cloudron.
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Cloudron team, please check! I think now is possible to run budibase into cloudron! The budibase devs has announced a list of great updates! One of then is:
The Budibase all in one image, for use as a single image which provides all necessary services.
Announcement:
Youtube VideoDocker image here:
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Budibase is now in version 2 since a couple of days, keeping the open source tier. Given the amount of additional functionality the platform has gained since the original discussion here took place, especially now with version 2, I feel it would be a great addition to the cloudron App Store, what are your thoughts on this @joebudi @nebulon ?
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Did their single container thing ever materialize? I know they were working on it.
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@doodlemania2 said in Budibase: an open source, no code platform:
Did their single container thing ever materialize? I know they were working on it.
Yes
@israel said in Budibase: an open source, no code platform:
The Budibase all in one image, for use as a single image which provides all necessary services.
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@doodlemania2 they indeed released it some time ago. I have a deployment running for some time now and did not encounter any issues so far. When packaging for cloudron i suggest adding the postgres database plugin, since the internal db limits to 4k rows in the free tier.
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Is there anything one can to do to help this come to be? I would love to integrate my Budibase instances with Cloudron, the potential is really there!
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@dominikjannis yes, see this post.
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@robi thanks for the info! Where can i get in contact with the devs to work out an arrangement for packaging this?
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@dominikjannis Click on the first toolbar icon that looks like 3 bullet points with lines for the categories section and look towards the bottom.
