Cloudron built in smtp for newsletter
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Is it a good idea to use internal cloudron smtp to send newsletter with Listmonk.
Isn't it risking the cloudron ip address marked as blacklist/spam if used to send newsletter with hundred or thousand reciepent?
I'm looking for ghost+mailgun alternative for sending newsletter.
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If your newsletter is marked as spam a lot and your IP gets bad reputation, it is not a risk but a consequence of your actions. Totally fine to use Cloudrons SMTP for mass mailing. However, most self hosted private mail servers have limited deliverability and if you really need to reach your target audiance, you should invest in an SMTP provider. There are many threads all over the web complaining about big providers blacklisting small mailservers just for no good reason.
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We don't use listmonk, but fwiw, our newsletter is sent out to a massive list via mailtrain. It takes a week to send them out! We send it directly via our built in smtp. The big caveat is that it has absolutely 0 marketing, we send it like once in 3 months for new releases and it's easy to unsubscribe.
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Why can’t I just use SMTP mail config to send email newsletters with Ghost? Sending a bulk email to many recipients using basic SMTP will result in your IP address being instantly blacklisted and marked as spam by all mail providers. You should never, ever send bulk mail using basic SMTP, which is why Ghost does not support it.I'm asking because of the statement above :
https://ghost.org/docs/faq/mailgun-newsletters/Is cloudron build in email server considered as basic SMTP? Will it instantly marked as spam an blacklisted by all mail provider if i send newsletter for marketing funnel purpose to around 1000 email with frequency once or twice a a week. I want to avoid mailgun.
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We don't use listmonk, but fwiw, our newsletter is sent out to a massive list via mailtrain. It takes a week to send them out! We send it directly via our built in smtp. The big caveat is that it has absolutely 0 marketing, we send it like once in 3 months for new releases and it's easy to unsubscribe.
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@girish Why is it take a week? Is it mailtrain or listmonk handle the frequency or queue of the bulk email sent?
@andirahmat We set a throttle inside mailtrain to send one 300 per hour. This way we don't send out too many email and trigger things on Digital Ocean.
Note that our list is now big enough that we will move shortly over to a relay. It is always a bit scary to send mails straight from the VPS. Don't want to get banned there.
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Why can’t I just use SMTP mail config to send email newsletters with Ghost? Sending a bulk email to many recipients using basic SMTP will result in your IP address being instantly blacklisted and marked as spam by all mail providers. You should never, ever send bulk mail using basic SMTP, which is why Ghost does not support it.I'm asking because of the statement above :
https://ghost.org/docs/faq/mailgun-newsletters/Is cloudron build in email server considered as basic SMTP? Will it instantly marked as spam an blacklisted by all mail provider if i send newsletter for marketing funnel purpose to around 1000 email with frequency once or twice a a week. I want to avoid mailgun.
@andirahmat said in Cloudron built in smtp for newsletter:
Is cloudron build in email server considered as basic SMTP? Will it instantly marked as spam an blacklisted by all mail provider if i send newsletter for marketing funnel purpose to around 1000 email with frequency once or twice a a week. I want to avoid mailgun.
Yes, Cloudron is "basic SMTP" (per their definition). It's really hard to say whether your VPS provider will take offense with sending 1000 emails twice a week or not. You should probably just ask them. If they are one of the "big" VPS providers, be totally prepared for anything, including your account being banned. This is just how they work since even if they say it's totally fine some internal alert. kicks in, not being all fatalistic :-).
Anyway, I would recommend using external relay for large lists (1000 is big enough).
