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What's coming in 7.5

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  • girishG girish

    @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

    Add optional flag for turn addon.

    This is implemented now - redis and turn can be optional (depending on the app).

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    eganonoa
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    @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

    @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

    Add optional flag for turn addon.

    This is implemented now - redis and turn can be optional (depending on the app).

    6e4e0666-9c54-468f-96fa-e9fa2ab125b4-image.png

    047778e7-4548-4a3a-a2a6-287dac6523af-image.png

    The turn option is huge, thank you! I cannot wait to implement it. Is it in the 7.5.0 pre-release?

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      @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

      @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

      Add optional flag for turn addon.

      This is implemented now - redis and turn can be optional (depending on the app).

      6e4e0666-9c54-468f-96fa-e9fa2ab125b4-image.png

      047778e7-4548-4a3a-a2a6-287dac6523af-image.png

      The turn option is huge, thank you! I cannot wait to implement it. Is it in the 7.5.0 pre-release?

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      humptydumpty
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      @eganonoa I'm on 7.5.0 and don't have those options yet. It must be in 7.5.1 that's coming in the next week or the 7.6 release (no ETA yet).

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      • girishG girish

        For 7.5, we just want to focus on fixing some long standing issues instead of adding new features. Also, Cloudron 7.4 added OIDC support, so we are also working on moving apps from LDAP to OIDC slowly (as long as the migration works seamlessly).

        These are fairly critical and we haven't paid attention to them in a while:

        • (mail) Virtual all directory in dovecot for search
        • (mail) Investigate why Spam learning/filtering sometimes does not work effectively.
        • (mail) SPF regression adding an extra header and leaking client IP.
        • Backup integrity - store size and checksum of backups. Also provide a way to "verify" backup integrity in the remote.
        • Backup/restore progress
        • SSHFS/CIFS import is not working - 1 and 2
        • Add optional flag for turn addon.
        • Add check to indicate that Cloudron 7.6 will not support servers without AVX. This is required for MongoDB 6.0
        • Upgrade Redis to 7 . This is required for Discourse
        • Improve app repair workflow
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        @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

        (mail) Virtual all directory in dovecot for search

        This is implemented now. You can read the blog post on our investigation at https://blog.cloudron.io/email-search-in-mail-clients/ . If you use any other email clients, let me know happy to add it to that blog.

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          necrevistonnezr
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          Nice write up!

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            When will 7.5 be considered GA / stable? Been out for a couple of weeks now but still says pre-release.

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            • swheeler78S swheeler78

              When will 7.5 be considered GA / stable? Been out for a couple of weeks now but still says pre-release.

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              girish
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              @swheeler78 the code went through a major rewrite, so we are giving it more time. Our e2e passed yesterday, we will do a round of manual testing coming week and release 7.5.1 as stable.

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                So, does this mean that 7.5.1 will replace 7.5 or will I still need to upgrade to 7.5 first? Thanks for everythign in advance.

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                • swheeler78S swheeler78

                  So, does this mean that 7.5.1 will replace 7.5 or will I still need to upgrade to 7.5 first? Thanks for everythign in advance.

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                  @swheeler78 7.4.3 will upgrade directly to 7.5.1

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                    #49

                    As an update here, 7.5.1 e2e tests are now running. We should have a release in a day or two.

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                    • girishG girish

                      For 7.5, we just want to focus on fixing some long standing issues instead of adding new features. Also, Cloudron 7.4 added OIDC support, so we are also working on moving apps from LDAP to OIDC slowly (as long as the migration works seamlessly).

                      These are fairly critical and we haven't paid attention to them in a while:

                      • (mail) Virtual all directory in dovecot for search
                      • (mail) Investigate why Spam learning/filtering sometimes does not work effectively.
                      • (mail) SPF regression adding an extra header and leaking client IP.
                      • Backup integrity - store size and checksum of backups. Also provide a way to "verify" backup integrity in the remote.
                      • Backup/restore progress
                      • SSHFS/CIFS import is not working - 1 and 2
                      • Add optional flag for turn addon.
                      • Add check to indicate that Cloudron 7.6 will not support servers without AVX. This is required for MongoDB 6.0
                      • Upgrade Redis to 7 . This is required for Discourse
                      • Improve app repair workflow
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                      girish
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                      @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

                      SSHFS/CIFS import is not working - 1 and 2

                      This is now fixed.

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                      • girishG girish

                        @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

                        Add optional flag for turn addon.

                        This is implemented now - redis and turn can be optional (depending on the app).

                        6e4e0666-9c54-468f-96fa-e9fa2ab125b4-image.png

                        047778e7-4548-4a3a-a2a6-287dac6523af-image.png

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                        dylightful
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                        @girish Can't seem to see the Redis option in 7.5.0 using unmanaged WordPress. Is this coming in a future release?

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                          @girish Can't seem to see the Redis option in 7.5.0 using unmanaged WordPress. Is this coming in a future release?

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                          @dylightful yes, 7.5.1 is not yet . It's ready but didn't want to push it over the weekend. So, we will make it available as unstable on Monday.

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                          • girishG girish

                            @dylightful yes, 7.5.1 is not yet . It's ready but didn't want to push it over the weekend. So, we will make it available as unstable on Monday.

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                            @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

                            So, we will make it available as unstable on Monday.

                            Great. I think I was one of these:

                            @nebulon said in Suggestion for prereleases:

                            I think we made a mistake with 7.5 where it was pushed out for some Cloudrons unintentionally for auto-updates for a brief moment

                            I didn't notice anything break. And I see it led to a nice discussion about prelease testing and even naming conventions.

                            @d19dotca said in Suggestion for prereleases:

                            Just to clarify from my perspective a couple of things and add my two cents...

                            Any experienced users here or someone just reading that thread or this one here is prepared, but others might benefit from clarifications.
                            It took me several months to figure things out.

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                            • girishG girish

                              @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

                              Add optional flag for turn addon.

                              This is implemented now - redis and turn can be optional (depending on the app).

                              6e4e0666-9c54-468f-96fa-e9fa2ab125b4-image.png

                              047778e7-4548-4a3a-a2a6-287dac6523af-image.png

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                              eganonoa
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                              #54

                              @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

                              @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

                              Add optional flag for turn addon.

                              This is implemented now - redis and turn can be optional (depending on the app).

                              6e4e0666-9c54-468f-96fa-e9fa2ab125b4-image.png

                              047778e7-4548-4a3a-a2a6-287dac6523af-image.png

                              Hi @girish, I just upgraded to 7.5.1 to test out the new turn and redis options, but I cannot see the services option in relevant apps (wordpress, nextcould, jitsi). Was this option held back?

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                                The app packages have to specify if the addon is optional or not. We will slowly fixup the app packages now to make them work with and without those services.

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                                  @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

                                  @girish said in What's coming in 7.5:

                                  Add optional flag for turn addon.

                                  This is implemented now - redis and turn can be optional (depending on the app).

                                  6e4e0666-9c54-468f-96fa-e9fa2ab125b4-image.png

                                  047778e7-4548-4a3a-a2a6-287dac6523af-image.png

                                  Hi @girish, I just upgraded to 7.5.1 to test out the new turn and redis options, but I cannot see the services option in relevant apps (wordpress, nextcould, jitsi). Was this option held back?

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                                  girish
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                                  @eganonoa WordPress developer already has it.

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                                    eganonoa
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                                    Thanks @girish and @nebulon. If you need to prioritize, for the turn server the one that is simply impossible to add an external turnserver is matrix/element as it requires a restart to apply changes, which then of course leads to those changes being overwritten. I believe the others don't have that limitation, but at the same time, Nextcloud would probably have the quickest positive benefit as it is quite trivial to add the external turn server via the Nextcloud admin panel.

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                                      Thanks @girish and @nebulon. If you need to prioritize, for the turn server the one that is simply impossible to add an external turnserver is matrix/element as it requires a restart to apply changes, which then of course leads to those changes being overwritten. I believe the others don't have that limitation, but at the same time, Nextcloud would probably have the quickest positive benefit as it is quite trivial to add the external turn server via the Nextcloud admin panel.

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                                      potemkin_ai
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                                      @eganonoa just for my information - why are you looking for external TURN servers for Synapse/Matrix and NextCloud? What are the benefits?

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                                      • potemkin_aiP potemkin_ai

                                        @eganonoa just for my information - why are you looking for external TURN servers for Synapse/Matrix and NextCloud? What are the benefits?

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                                        @potemkin_ai said in What's coming in 7.5:

                                        @eganonoa just for my information - why are you looking for external TURN servers for Synapse/Matrix and NextCloud? What are the benefits?

                                        A couple of reasons that make calls requiring a turn server not function well.

                                        • We run our services behind Cloudflare, and turn servers don't work well (or at all) via reverse proxies like that as the server cannot accurately direct traffic to the correct IP addresses.
                                        • Even if we didn't use Cloudflare proxying, we have many calls with people in academic and government environments with policies limiting what ports they can connect to, usually only allowing 443. Because Cloudron monopolizes that port its turn server has to run on a different port, so those people cannot use the Cloudron turn server even if we turned off Cloudflare proxying (which we don't want to do).

                                        As a result, the ability to use an external turn server with Cloudron is critical and a very welcome development.

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                                          @potemkin_ai said in What's coming in 7.5:

                                          @eganonoa just for my information - why are you looking for external TURN servers for Synapse/Matrix and NextCloud? What are the benefits?

                                          A couple of reasons that make calls requiring a turn server not function well.

                                          • We run our services behind Cloudflare, and turn servers don't work well (or at all) via reverse proxies like that as the server cannot accurately direct traffic to the correct IP addresses.
                                          • Even if we didn't use Cloudflare proxying, we have many calls with people in academic and government environments with policies limiting what ports they can connect to, usually only allowing 443. Because Cloudron monopolizes that port its turn server has to run on a different port, so those people cannot use the Cloudron turn server even if we turned off Cloudflare proxying (which we don't want to do).

                                          As a result, the ability to use an external turn server with Cloudron is critical and a very welcome development.

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                                          wrote on last edited by girish
                                          #60

                                          @eganonoa synapse update is now pushed and has optional turn.

                                          edit: nexcloud is updated as well

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