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  • nebulonN nebulon

    I am also following their matrix channel and the app seems to be still under heavy development. My idea was to package it once they remove the beta tag on their website, but maybe we can look into the packaging side already earlier.

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    Hi @nebulon - Thanks for the info. This is great news and highly appreciated. Let me know if you feel there is anything I can contribute to to make this happen.

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      v3.4 is out and brings nested pages apparently: https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs/releases/tag/v3.4.0

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      • nebulonN nebulon

        I am also following their matrix channel and the app seems to be still under heavy development. My idea was to package it once they remove the beta tag on their website, but maybe we can look into the packaging side already earlier.

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        @nebulon said in Docs - Alternative to Notion / Outline with OIDC, GDPR compliant, PDF Export (with template) etc...:

        My idea was to package it once they remove the beta tag on their website

        I don't see any mention of beta on their website nor on their repository. 😉

        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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          Indeed looks like they removed all the beta labels by now. Maybe I will get around looking at the package over the weekend.

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          • nebulonN nebulon

            Indeed looks like they removed all the beta labels by now. Maybe I will get around looking at the package over the weekend.

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            @nebulon said in Docs - Alternative to Notion / Outline with OIDC, GDPR compliant, PDF Export (with template) etc...:

            Indeed looks like they removed all the beta labels by now. Maybe I will get around looking at the package over the weekend.

            This looks like a really great piece of software so that would be AMAZING! 🤞 🙏

            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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            • nebulonN nebulon

              Indeed looks like they removed all the beta labels by now. Maybe I will get around looking at the package over the weekend.

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              @nebulon said in Docs - Alternative to Notion / Outline with OIDC, GDPR compliant, PDF Export (with template) etc...:

              Indeed looks like they removed all the beta labels by now. Maybe I will get around looking at the package over the weekend.

              This would be fantastic and much appreciated.

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              • nebulonN nebulon

                Indeed looks like they removed all the beta labels by now. Maybe I will get around looking at the package over the weekend.

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                @nebulon said in Docs - Alternative to Notion / Outline with OIDC, GDPR compliant, PDF Export (with template) etc...:

                Indeed looks like they removed all the beta labels by now. Maybe I will get around looking at the package over the weekend.

                Just wondering... did you manage to have a look and make some progress? 🙂 🙏 🤞

                I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                  Took me a bit but I tried this today morning. The backend aspect is django and quite doable. Frontend unfortunately nextjs which usually blows up the resulting image by GBs, but that is also doable.

                  Unfortunately it does require a S3 host for media as well as keycloak for its user backend. The latter may work with our OpenID provider, however S3 is a bit of a blocker, unless we package some S3 server within the app 😕

                  Will see how far we can get here over time.

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                  • nebulonN nebulon

                    Took me a bit but I tried this today morning. The backend aspect is django and quite doable. Frontend unfortunately nextjs which usually blows up the resulting image by GBs, but that is also doable.

                    Unfortunately it does require a S3 host for media as well as keycloak for its user backend. The latter may work with our OpenID provider, however S3 is a bit of a blocker, unless we package some S3 server within the app 😕

                    Will see how far we can get here over time.

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                    @nebulon Thanks for looking into this @nebulon . Much appreciated.

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                      So I got it to the point now where oidc login works through Cloudron. If anyone is curious and maybe wants to figure out a way how to get around the S3 requirement to create any document in the first place, I pushed all package code to https://git.cloudron.io/playground/docs-app for the moment.

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                      • nebulonN nebulon

                        So I got it to the point now where oidc login works through Cloudron. If anyone is curious and maybe wants to figure out a way how to get around the S3 requirement to create any document in the first place, I pushed all package code to https://git.cloudron.io/playground/docs-app for the moment.

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                        @nebulon Trying to read up a bit on it. In the docs it says s3 for production is optional: "Object Storage (optional)".

                        Does this mean it's functional without file upload without it?

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                          Yes, however so far I couldn't figure a configuration which does not try to use S3. I did ask in the matrix channel, but so far no answer to that. Lets see...

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                          • nebulonN nebulon

                            Yes, however so far I couldn't figure a configuration which does not try to use S3. I did ask in the matrix channel, but so far no answer to that. Lets see...

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                            @nebulon why not add S3 as a default "DB" and storage layer in Cloudron?

                            Conscious tech

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                              Yes, this may be worth considering, but will certainly delay getting this package out for the moment 😕

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                                I got a response from the upstream team and indeed S3 is not optional but mandatory, the optional is for the original S3 or optionally something like minio.

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                                  hi folks, I just stumbled upon this again and it seems they just released the 4.0 version this week, including comments (!)

                                  What an amazing piece thing would be to run this on cloudron

                                  https://github.com/suitenumerique/docs/releases/tag/v4.0.0

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                                    yes I keep an eye on that also, it seems very good. Only downside why we haven't packaged it already is the hard-dependency on S3 to store docs instead of the filesystem. With minio being in some limbo state recently this is not a great match for the moment for Cloudron, but hopefully this changes in the future

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                                    • nebulonN nebulon

                                      yes I keep an eye on that also, it seems very good. Only downside why we haven't packaged it already is the hard-dependency on S3 to store docs instead of the filesystem. With minio being in some limbo state recently this is not a great match for the moment for Cloudron, but hopefully this changes in the future

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                                      @nebulon said in Docs - Alternative to Notion / Outline with OIDC, GDPR compliant, PDF Export (with template) etc...:

                                      yes I keep an eye on that also, it seems very good. Only downside why we haven't packaged it already is the hard-dependency on S3 to store docs instead of the filesystem. With minio being in some limbo state recently this is not a great match for the moment for Cloudron, but hopefully this changes in the future

                                      Minio alternative is garage: https://github.com/deuxfleurs-org/garage

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                                      • nebulonN nebulon

                                        yes I keep an eye on that also, it seems very good. Only downside why we haven't packaged it already is the hard-dependency on S3 to store docs instead of the filesystem. With minio being in some limbo state recently this is not a great match for the moment for Cloudron, but hopefully this changes in the future

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                                        @nebulon I used to like traditional storage more but am seeing more and more the benefits of s3 in some fields. Ente performs in my opinion significantly better than immich, in good parts because of the storage used. I'm also planning on migrating various nextclouds to s3 storage. Even with MinIO not being an option anymore, there are so many vendors for people to choose for an s3 provider from. Just let people set s3 compatible credentials via s3, works great!

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                                        • nebulonN nebulon

                                          yes I keep an eye on that also, it seems very good. Only downside why we haven't packaged it already is the hard-dependency on S3 to store docs instead of the filesystem. With minio being in some limbo state recently this is not a great match for the moment for Cloudron, but hopefully this changes in the future

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                                          @nebulon when do we get a system level S3 store?

                                          Garage seems like a fit and enables the Multi Cloudron vision.

                                          Let's not make us install S3 services in LAMP out of no better choice.

                                          Conscious tech

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