Android down the shitter? Pixel 10 or iPhone 17? Thoughts?

[andreasdueren]

Unfortunately it's a duopoly with no good options. I'm looking at the same dilemma for my next phone.

[robi]

Unfortunately things are often pushed to the wall to see how much backlash and revolt there will be. If plenty, they reverse if not, they keep going.

Another option is to get a deGoogled phone for a while or truly assess what the necessity is and stick with a dumb phone.

[timconsidine]

One option for developers for some apps is to make it a PWA which the user can add to homescreen for an app-like experience.
I am already doing this with one app, so I can escape both Apple and Google stores.

But it's a blunt tool, and not viable for many apps which require proper device integration. Just thought I'd mention it.

GrapheneOS is a good option but they are so tied to "new phones only". When I first installed it, it was a new phone and in the supported list. Some years later, it's an old phone and unsupported. That's my major criticism of Graphene, which is otherwise great. Lineage better on phone support, but not perfect.

A truly free phone OS is a huge gap in the market.

[humpty]

I've definitely made up my mind about going the pixel/grapheneos route. The only choice left is which phone tier to go with. I can get a cheap 10a and upgrade in a couple years or shell out for a 10 pro and stick with it until the support ends which is.. 6 years from now. The middle ground is a pixel 10, but I'm not digging being in the middle anymore. I'm spending $100-$150 per year on a phone no matter which option I go with. Funnily enough, the 10a is the latest release of them all so it has the longest support life of 6.8 years left, but I doubt anyone will keep using the "a" version that long. Not as the primary phone at least.

@timconsidine The PWA workaround is a neat idea! Pixel 8 and newer have 7 years of support from release date. IIRC, you had a 6/6a?

@robi I looked into dumb phones a while back and figured it wouldn't work for me. I'm not really a mobile person so the whole being-glued/distraction thing isn't a problem for me. It's the tracking that gets on my nerves.

[jdaviescoates]

I use degoogled /e/OS on a Pixel 7.

[timconsidine]

@humpty pixel4a

[humpty]

@timconsidine I placed an order for a Pixel 10! I used a code from this subreddit to get an additional 10% off. I thought the discount would apply to the "sale" price, but nope, it applied to the original MSRP! Saving me even more!

@jdaviescoates It's been a while since I've last looked into /e/. Will give them a glance and see if it works better than grapheneos for me. Thanks! Edit: /e/ only supports up to pixel 9/9a so far.

[jdaviescoates]

@humpty said:

Thanks! Edit: /e/ only supports up to pixel 9/9a so far.

Do you really need the latest tech? My pixel 7 works perfectly well. Much cheaper to get older secondhand models too.

(I'm not saying you're one of them but) I've never understood people who spend eg £40-50/mo on their phones when you can get a decent secondhand phone for £100-150 and then really cheap sim only deals (eg I pay £5.95/mo for unlimited texts and calls, 20GB data, 5G where available and free roaming)

Edit: only just realised you've already ordered pixel 10. What did it cost?

[timconsidine]

@humpty sweet - well done

[humpty]

@jdaviescoates I keep my phone for years. I rocked my iphone XR for at least 5 years and then inherited the iphone SE 2nd gen (it's a downgrade spec wise, but I liked having a tiny phone), but it's starting to show its age. The pixel 10 has 6 years of guaranteed updates as of today. I got it for $520 using the 10% off referral code I mentioned above. If I keep it for 5 years, that's $104/yr ($87/yr if kept for 6 years).

Things must be really different in the UK. eBay US for used pixels 8-9s were more expensive than a new 10 or they were "for parts". The cheapest mobile plan I know of here is Tello for $8/mo (2GB data + 300 mins of calling + unlimited texts). I'm pretty sure the service is subpar. I'm with T-mobile prepaid and pay $15/mo for unlimited call/text + 5GB data. Coverage is perfect no matter where I travel in the US.

@timconsidine Thank you!

[necrevistonnezr]

@jdaviescoates said:

@humpty said:

(I'm not saying you're one of them but) I've never understood people who spend eg £40-50/mo on their phones when you can get a decent secondhand phone for £100-150 and then really cheap sim only deals (eg I pay £5.95/mo for unlimited texts and calls, 20GB data, 5G where available and free roaming)

Mostly: better cameras - when they get significantly better, I upgrade.
And this year, maybe on-device AI, if Apple pulls it off. And the European Commission stops making industry policy in favor of shitty US (!) companies like Meta.. (otherwise we won’t see Siri AI for a while or ever)

[humpty]

@necrevistonnezr don't get me started on apple's ai/siri

For me, the upgrade was mostly due to the iphone SE issues/shortcomings:

• small battery; running out of juice midday
• recurring signal/connectivity issues; mostly bugs that apple fixes/breaks with each update
• sluggish performance; opening element took a solid 10s to load on the screen
• siri; dumb as a brick
• it's apple; i made a mistake once and got sucked into their ecosystem, time to get out!

BTW, a video I watched yesterday mentioned that the pixel 10 is the last pixel supported on grapheneos and that they're looking to support a new device lineup instead. They will continue to support the current pixels until their promised end date though, so that's good.

Correction: The pixel 10 is NOT the last pixel to be supported. GrapheneOS's partnership with Motorola is an expansion to their supported devices, not a Pixel replacement.

https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/

[LoudLemur]

LineageOS is very good.
https://lineageos.org/

It is not a coincidence that nobody around the world is manufacturing a phone which doesn't double as a surveillance tool.

X have introduced beta voice agents which come with telephone number provisioning, if you like, or you can use your SIP.

[humpty]

@LoudLemur LineageOS also doesn't have the Pixel 10 on the supported list. How long do they support their devices? Is it also 7 years like GrapheneOS?

[LoudLemur]

@humpty

### LineageOS Supported Devices:

https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

Pixels and Fairphones are your best bets for long term support on LineageOS.

How Long Are Devices Typically Supported?

LineageOS support is community-driven and not fixed like manufacturer support schedules. Key points:LineageOS generally maintains two active major versions at a time. Devices that are not updated (ported) to one of the two latest versions are dropped from active support.

endoflife.date

Current active branches (as of mid-2026) center around LineageOS 23.x (based on Android 16).
Longevity depends heavily on volunteer maintainers. Popular devices (especially Google Pixels) often receive 4–8+ years of updates because they’re easier to maintain (closer to AOSP) and have strong community interest.
Newer or less popular devices may get 2–5 years of solid support before being dropped if no one maintains the port.
Even after “official” drops, older builds may still be available, and security updates can sometimes continue sporadically on the last supported branch.
New devices are usually added once a stable port exists, often several months to over a year after the hardware launches (faster for Pixels).

In short: Expect strong support for well-maintained flagships (especially Pixels), but always check the specific device’s wiki page for its current status.

Newest Supported Devices by Major Manufacturer (“Line”)

Here are some of the most recent devices supported by LineageOS per major brand (based on current wiki listings and recent support additions). These are among the newest as of mid-2026:Google PixelPixel 9 series (including Pixel 9, 9 Pro, 9 Pro XL, 9 Pro Fold, and 9a)Pixel 9 → tokay
Pixel 9 Pro → caiman
Pixel 9 Pro XL → komodo
Pixel 9 Pro Fold → comet
Pixel 9a → tegu

OnePlusOnePlus 13 → dodge
OnePlus 13R → giulia

Xiaomi / POCO / RedmiRecent examples include POCO F6 series, Redmi Note 13 Pro 5G (garnet), and Xiaomi 13 series devices (fuxi, nuwa, etc.).Check the full Xiaomi section on the main devices page for the latest codenames.

SamsungGalaxy S23 (dm1q)
Galaxy Tab S6 Lite 2024 (various Wi-Fi/cellular variants)Galaxy S23 → Search “dm1q” on the wiki devices page.

Sony XperiaXperia 1 VI (pdx245)
Xperia 10 VII (pdx257) — one of the more recently addedXperia 1 VI → pdx245

Motorolaedge 2024 (avatrn)
edge 40 Pro / ThinkPhone variantsedge 2024 → Search “avatrn” on the wiki.

FairphoneFairphone 5 (FP5) — strong long-term support focusFairphone 5 → FP5

NothingPhone (2) (Pong)Phone (2) → Pong

Other notable recent additions (niche or newer support):

Retroid Pocket 6
SHIFTphone 8
Various 2024–2025 tablets, TV boxes, and handhelds

[robi]

@humpty I was pleasantly surprised that newer flip phones have all manner of niceties in their firmware including WiFi and Tethering (as in sharing the cell connection) built right in.

It's almost smart but still dumb with only T9 entry.

It was some cheapo deal at Walmart, TCL brand.

[humpty]

What mail app do you use for your Cloudron mailserver that has instant IMAP sync/push on Android?

Edit: I need to expand on this request. Need app replacement for the following iOS apps:

• Reminders
• Notes (thinking Joplin will do)
• Calendar (how do you sync Nextcloud calendar in Graphene?)
• Photos (a private/no-cloud app; obviously the pixel/google ones won't do)
• Findmy (is it possible to still connect/see my fam's iOS phones/gps?)

[nostrdev]

Pixel with Graphene OS, it's a no-brainer!