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Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end

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  • L LoudLemur

    What is the latest on supporting Nextcloud HPBE (High Performance Back End) on Cloudron? It would be great to be able to just one-click install and have great video conferencing capability. Work on this might also help Peertube, which has a similar sort of backend.

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    andreasdueren
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    @LoudLemur Honestly I would recommend to just spin up a separate VPS (doesn't need to be powerful) and install this implementation: https://github.com/sunweaver/nextcloud-high-performance-backend-setup.git

    Cloudron is great but the firewall is always creating problems for me with the turn server.

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    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

      @andreasdueren said in Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end:

      For everyone who wants to host it themselves without too much hassle, I have been successfully using this build on a standalone server for some months now: https://github.com/sunweaver/nextcloud-high-performance-backend-setup

      Sounds like a great solution for now, thanks!

      @andreasdueren can you confirm or otherwise if this package includes the ability to record meetings? Thanks!

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      andreasdueren
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      wrote on last edited by andreasdueren
      #63

      @jdaviescoates Would you be willing to run a custom app as a standalone application for recordings?

      I set something up for our org which I'm hosting at recording.cloud.tld.com. But the package is hardcoding some opinionated things and secrets.

      For example I set up recording and Speaker-diarized transcription (which is super slow on CPU). I'm willing to open source this but the package requires more work for a general audience which I'm only willing to put in, if this is of value for other people.

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      • nostrdevN
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        #64

        We installed HPBE on a dedicated VPS and Nextcloud Talk is mostly ok for us now.

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        • nostrdevN nostrdev

          We installed HPBE on a dedicated VPS and Nextcloud Talk is mostly ok for us now.

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          @nostrdev Hi, I'm curious, could you please share the type of VPS you used (RAM and vCPU, and if they're shared or dedicated)? Have you tried video calls with many people?
          It's not easy to find clear information about the right server resources to use when it comes to Nextcloud Talk, and it's better to ensure the server is well dimensioned beforehand rather than realizing during a meeting with 20 participants that it just doesn't work 😄

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          • nostrdevN
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            @ikalou - we gave up on jitsi / mirotalk / nextcloud for group calls. These days we mostly use Proton Meet.

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            • nostrdevN nostrdev

              @ikalou - we gave up on jitsi / mirotalk / nextcloud for group calls. These days we mostly use Proton Meet.

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              @nostrdev Can you tell us how many people participate in your group calls?

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                typically no more than 6 or 7

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                • nostrdevN nostrdev

                  typically no more than 6 or 7

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                  wrote on last edited by
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                  @nostrdev I have successfully used NC Talk with the HPB and 30+ users

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                  • andreasduerenA andreasdueren

                    @nostrdev I have successfully used NC Talk with the HPB and 30+ users

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                    LoudLemur
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                    @andreasdueren said:

                    I have successfully used NC Talk with the HPB and 30+ users

                    Hey, well done on that! It must have been a great call. Thanks for letting us know.

                    Lets see how long it takes to top this! I think you will have the record for quite a while.

                    Do you have any tips for managing such a large teleconference?

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                    • L LoudLemur

                      @andreasdueren said:

                      I have successfully used NC Talk with the HPB and 30+ users

                      Hey, well done on that! It must have been a great call. Thanks for letting us know.

                      Lets see how long it takes to top this! I think you will have the record for quite a while.

                      Do you have any tips for managing such a large teleconference?

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                      andreasdueren
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                      #71

                      @LoudLemur honestly it’s not that resource intensive. We used to run the HPB on a fairly small hetzner VPS but since switched over to the Cloudron package with cloudflare turn. Highly recommend.

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                      • andreasduerenA andreasdueren

                        @LoudLemur honestly it’s not that resource intensive. We used to run the HPB on a fairly small hetzner VPS but since switched over to the Cloudron package with cloudflare turn. Highly recommend.

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                        @andreasdueren said:

                        cloudflare turn

                        Does that make a significant difference compared to just using the turn within Cloudron?

                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                        • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                          @andreasdueren said:

                          cloudflare turn

                          Does that make a significant difference compared to just using the turn within Cloudron?

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                          andreasdueren
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                          @jdaviescoates personally I found the internal turn server to be highly unreliable. But others may have better experiences.

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                          • andreasduerenA andreasdueren

                            @LoudLemur honestly it’s not that resource intensive. We used to run the HPB on a fairly small hetzner VPS but since switched over to the Cloudron package with cloudflare turn. Highly recommend.

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                            @andreasdueren could you explain that? Which cloudron package?

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                            • sponchS sponch

                              @andreasdueren could you explain that? Which cloudron package?

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                              andreasdueren
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                              @sponch This one: https://ca.cloudron.io/app/nextcloud-talk-hpb

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