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Security issue thread - PHP and eMudhra cert compromise

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  • DidierMalenfantD
    DidierMalenfantD
    DidierMalenfant
    wrote last edited by
    #89

    In the original post:

    This should say 20260816ubuntu0.26.04.1 atleast. The first part is the date, and it must be **later** than that.
    

    should probably say 'equal or later than that'.

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    • girishG girish

      Sending out a newsletter but given the size of the list it might take a while to get to you. Here's the public newsletter https://newsletter.cloudron.io/archive/2026-10-21-php-emudhra

      whitespaceW
      whitespaceW
      whitespace
      wrote last edited by
      #90

      @girish The newsletter reads as if all packages have been updated. At least Wallabag is not as far as I can tell. Am I reading it wrong?

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      • whitespaceW whitespace

        @girish The newsletter reads as if all packages have been updated. At least Wallabag is not as far as I can tell. Am I reading it wrong?

        jamesJ
        jamesJ
        james
        Staff
        wrote last edited by james
        #91

        Hello @whitespace

        There are currently issues with the @wallabag PHP update we are currently working on to resolve.
        When this is done, the update will be available.

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        • whitespaceW whitespace

          @girish The newsletter reads as if all packages have been updated. At least Wallabag is not as far as I can tell. Am I reading it wrong?

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          J
          joseph
          Staff
          wrote last edited by
          #92

          @whitespace https://github.com/wallabag/wallabag/pull/9099 (tldr upstream code hasn't been updated for a while and they have to make an upstream release first)

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          • J joseph

            @whitespace https://github.com/wallabag/wallabag/pull/9099 (tldr upstream code hasn't been updated for a while and they have to make an upstream release first)

            whitespaceW
            whitespaceW
            whitespace
            wrote last edited by
            #93

            @joseph Thanks, I am aware. I just wanted to point out that the newsletter statement 1. can be understood otherwise.

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            • jamesJ
              jamesJ
              james
              Staff
              wrote last edited by
              #94

              Hello @whitespace
              I managed to resolve the issue and the update is released https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3936/wallabag-package-updates/39

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              • jamesJ james

                Hello @whitespace
                I managed to resolve the issue and the update is released https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3936/wallabag-package-updates/39

                whitespaceW
                whitespaceW
                whitespace
                wrote last edited by
                #95

                @james So much appreciation! I love this community.

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                  odie
                  wrote last edited by
                  #96

                  Just want to add to the appreciation here. Very well done, guys, thank you very much!

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                  • dsp76D
                    dsp76D
                    dsp76
                    wrote last edited by
                    #97

                    One thing that may be a little improvement for the future: a state where I can update a package, which is not active. So before finally activating a package - it can be updated. What do you think about this?

                    (Ask me about B2B marketing automation & low code business solutions, if thats interesting for you.)

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                    • O odie

                      Just want to add to the appreciation here. Very well done, guys, thank you very much!

                      DidierMalenfantD
                      DidierMalenfantD
                      DidierMalenfant
                      wrote last edited by
                      #98

                      @odie said:

                      Just want to add to the appreciation here. Very well done, guys, thank you very much!

                      Same here. Thank you so much for all the hard work!

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                        IniBudi
                        translator
                        wrote last edited by
                        #99

                        For critical update, should we create a feature to immediately update apps like within or less than 5-minutes after the patch is released?

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                        • dsp76D dsp76

                          One thing that may be a little improvement for the future: a state where I can update a package, which is not active. So before finally activating a package - it can be updated. What do you think about this?

                          jdaviescoatesJ
                          jdaviescoatesJ
                          jdaviescoates
                          Super Fan
                          wrote last edited by
                          #100

                          @dsp76 said:

                          One thing that may be a little improvement for the future: a state where I can update a package, which is not active. So before finally activating a package - it can be updated. What do you think about this?

                          Yes, I wondered about this too.

                          At present stopped apps cannot be updated. I'm not entirely clear why that is?

                          It would be nice to be able to update stopped apps without having to first start them, especially in situations like this.

                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                            maxkreg
                            wrote last edited by
                            #101

                            I can see cloudron 10.1.6 being available now, but it is marked as unstable. Is it recommended to update manually, anyway? As far as I know, cloudron will not automatically update to unstable releases. Thanks!

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                            • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                              @dsp76 said:

                              One thing that may be a little improvement for the future: a state where I can update a package, which is not active. So before finally activating a package - it can be updated. What do you think about this?

                              Yes, I wondered about this too.

                              At present stopped apps cannot be updated. I'm not entirely clear why that is?

                              It would be nice to be able to update stopped apps without having to first start them, especially in situations like this.

                              LanhildL
                              LanhildL
                              Lanhild
                              App Dev
                              wrote last edited by
                              #102

                              @jdaviescoates a stopped application can't be updated because of potential migration scripts, runtime updates, etc.

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                              • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                @dsp76 said:

                                One thing that may be a little improvement for the future: a state where I can update a package, which is not active. So before finally activating a package - it can be updated. What do you think about this?

                                Yes, I wondered about this too.

                                At present stopped apps cannot be updated. I'm not entirely clear why that is?

                                It would be nice to be able to update stopped apps without having to first start them, especially in situations like this.

                                luckowL
                                luckowL
                                luckow
                                translator
                                wrote last edited by
                                #103

                                @jdaviescoates Last week, I learned about two options:

                                1. Apps that run protected by a VPN
                                2. Apps that run in recovery mode

                                Both options work. Option 2 is the right approach if a security vulnerability works on ports other than 80 and 443.

                                Pronouns: he/him | Primary language: German

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                                • luckowL luckow

                                  @jdaviescoates Last week, I learned about two options:

                                  1. Apps that run protected by a VPN
                                  2. Apps that run in recovery mode

                                  Both options work. Option 2 is the right approach if a security vulnerability works on ports other than 80 and 443.

                                  humptyH
                                  humptyH
                                  humpty
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #104

                                  +1 for having apps update while they're stopped. I have a few WP dev sites that I turn on for testing only and it's a PITA having to manually update them. From a security standpoint, what are the chances that an app will get compromised in the seconds it takes between the app start and triggering a manual update?

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                                  • humptyH humpty

                                    +1 for having apps update while they're stopped. I have a few WP dev sites that I turn on for testing only and it's a PITA having to manually update them. From a security standpoint, what are the chances that an app will get compromised in the seconds it takes between the app start and triggering a manual update?

                                    jdaviescoatesJ
                                    jdaviescoatesJ
                                    jdaviescoates
                                    Super Fan
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #105

                                    @humpty said:

                                    +1 for having apps update while they're stopped.

                                    Sounds like there are technical reasons why that's not possible.

                                    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                    • humptyH humpty

                                      +1 for having apps update while they're stopped. I have a few WP dev sites that I turn on for testing only and it's a PITA having to manually update them. From a security standpoint, what are the chances that an app will get compromised in the seconds it takes between the app start and triggering a manual update?

                                      LanhildL
                                      LanhildL
                                      Lanhild
                                      App Dev
                                      wrote last edited by Lanhild
                                      #106

                                      @humpty said:

                                      From a security standpoint, what are the chances that an app will get compromised in the seconds it takes between the app start and triggering a manual update?

                                      Relatively impossible to estimate. Usually, vulnerability scanners don't check whether your application runs or not. They simply send requests indefinitely, until they have a hit.

                                      Anyhow, updating stopped apps isn't technically feasible.

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                                      • LanhildL Lanhild

                                        @humpty said:

                                        From a security standpoint, what are the chances that an app will get compromised in the seconds it takes between the app start and triggering a manual update?

                                        Relatively impossible to estimate. Usually, vulnerability scanners don't check whether your application runs or not. They simply send requests indefinitely, until they have a hit.

                                        Anyhow, updating stopped apps isn't technically feasible.

                                        humptyH
                                        humptyH
                                        humpty
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #107

                                        @Lanhild What if the app gets started when an update is available, but the network gets disconnected somehow. Maybe by killing the nginx/proxy/ports temporarily? There's got to be a virtual equivalent to "cutting the ethernet cable", right?

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                                        • humptyH humpty

                                          @Lanhild What if the app gets started when an update is available, but the network gets disconnected somehow. Maybe by killing the nginx/proxy/ports temporarily? There's got to be a virtual equivalent to "cutting the ethernet cable", right?

                                          LanhildL
                                          LanhildL
                                          Lanhild
                                          App Dev
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #108

                                          @humpty Your safest bet would be to put the application behind a VPN.

                                          You can't know for sure that an application being updated doesn't need an outgoing connection.

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