Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?

[malvim]

I know this thread has drifted somewhere else, but I wanted to come here and say thank you to the devs as well. Thanks for Cloudron and for all your work. Sometimes I think about it and can't really believe there's just the two of you, @nebulon and @girish. You guys plan long-term, commit code everyday, are active on the forums, chats, git issues, are able to take the community's ideas and work with us. This is really much more than I expected from a two-person team, you guys rock!

Also, shout-out to all the app packagers out there, you guys are amazing! And to all the community, really, we've managed to grow a bit and still be supportive of each other, helpful, thankful, we've been able to disagree on things respectfully without becoming toxic.

Here's to many more years of this.

Cheers!

[Lonkle]

@malvim That’s exactly how I feel about @nebulon and @girish. When I found out there was only two main developers, it blew my mind. I have so much respect for their company and the software their built / build - it’s probably why I’m so invested in making it the best it can be. I should cool it with the feature requests.

Cause they have enough on their plate, but despite that @nebulon has taken a lot of time out of his day to debate with me about a Cloudron procedure in another thread. It’s touching that he’s taken so much time to explain his perspective and consideration of my opinions.

@girish often goes out of his way to help me understand box code too. Like linking to individual lines in the git just to help me understand. Like what other creator of a huge project like this would do that for me? Answer: @girish is one of a kind!

My favorite thing about both of them though is sometimes, people will request something for box and they’ll have it done and committed in an hour for the next upgrade of Cloudron. I plan on packaging a lot more apps but this has been a fun and wild ride. Thanks to the @appdevs and @girish / @nebulon.

[marcusquinn]

On that subject, I wonder if there should be some separation of Forum Categories to help preserve their time for Features & Apps development, eg:

• Cloudron Support: Announcements
• Cloudron Support: Apps Setup & Issues
• Cloudron Support: Platform Feature Requests
• Cloudron Support: Platform Setup & Issues
• Community Support: Apps Wishlist
• Community Support: Custom Apps Packaging
• Community Support: General Discussion
• Community Support: Help Wanted or Offered

Might help to set attention expectations and notifications accordingly?

Help the community pick up some of the communications work.

@girish & @nebulon obviously still participating, but without expectation to look at every discussion every day unless specifically tagged

[Lonkle]

@marcusquinn Agreed, I don’t want time taken out of their days that another app Dev could help me with. Restructuring the forum in the way you proposed may be a way to get more off their plate and allow us to help one another easier. Let’s see what they think cause I can imagine they don’t want to be forum-ing every day like they currently do. Well, so do I now - but you guys are great.

[nebulon]

Great to hear all those kind words. If you want to help and support the project, the best way is actually to spread the word or write a blog post or some such. We generally don't have time to invest into that area since we are busy with product related work.

[Lonkle]

@nebulon said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

Great to hear all those kind words. If you want to help and support the project, the best way is actually to spread the word or write a blog post or some such. We generally don't have time to invest into that area since we are busy with product related work.

Will do, I've been meaning to start up a developer's blog anyway and reach out to the Wordpress community again (I left in 2016), that's partly why I'm so invested in your Wordpress app! But anyway, yeah, just keep it up, man. This is an amazing project. And thank you for open-sourcing it. You could have done this with a different business model that made me feel less secure (walled-guardian type things), but your API to Docker is AMAZING (debug mode is particularly interesting) and I think it's the future of the web so I'm with you guys to the very end. You could even close the source if you really wanted, I'll still support - as long as there's no obfuscation I'll stick around converting apps (which I do find kinda fun).

[marcusquinn]

Like this https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2877/upvote-and-review-cloudron-on-all-the-alternative-to-type-websites-to-help-grow-the-team-and-community

[marcusquinn]

@Lonk If you haven't already tried it, I highly recommend Ghost for the blogging.

I know a contradiction from our WP based business setups - but hopefully you'll see why from my personal blog. Very refreshing to just focus on the content.

[Lonkle]

@marcusquinn said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

@Lonk If you haven't already tried it, I highly recommend Ghost for the blogging.

I know a contradiction from our WP based business setups - but hopefully you'll see why from my personal blog. Very refreshing to just focus on the content.

Tbh I never thought about it like that. I heard good things about Ghost. And Cloudron makes it easier than anything to try out, so I will. Thanks!

[jdaviescoates]

@ruihildt said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

All apps relying on push notifications will fail notifying.

I assume you mean all apps relying on Google for push notifications?

e.g. I've got Rocket.Chat installed on my phone and as I understand it get push notifications via their Cloud service, not Google. So I assume this would still work on LineageOS too, no?

[Lonkle]

@jdaviescoates If that's true than it would simply be on an app by app basis depending on what they use, but I'm guessing a lot of people would choose to stream their push notifications through Google. But I'm not an Android user daily. Apple mandates push notifications go through them, but I'm trying to find a way around that "public" limitation (with AltStore I can use whatever undocumented private APIs I can find).

[jdaviescoates]

@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

This is an amazing project.

It really is.

And the fact @girish and @nebulon have managed to build such a great community here too, is almost as impressive as the platform itself.

@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

And thank you for open-sourcing it. You could have done this with a different business model that made me feel less secure (walled-guardian type things), but your API to Docker is AMAZING (debug mode is particularly interesting) and I think it's the future of the web so I'm with you guys to the very end. You could even close the source if you really wanted, I'll still support - as long as there's no obfuscation I'll stick around converting apps (which I do find kinda fun).

Unless I've missed something, all the code was open-sourced, but is now closed, but (thankfully) with no obfuscation.

But I'm a little confused by your post, because you must know all this already, because you've contributed to the Why not make Cloudron fully open source again? thread

[Lonkle]

@jdaviescoates I thought only the dashboard and other things (a couple add-ons, the appstore) were closed source. But box (the main hub of all the things) is open source. Right? Which is why I thought the title of the post said "fully" in it.

[jdaviescoates]

@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

But box (the main hub of all the things) is open source. Right?

Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it is actually:
https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/blob/master/LICENSE

@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

Which is why I thought the title of the post said "fully" in it.

No, that was just because I'm aware some parts (I think the app packages) are open.

[jdaviescoates]

@nebulon said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

the best way is actually to spread the word or write a blog post or some such

I'm confident that if 6.0 goes open source we could generate significant press coverage

[Lonkle]

@jdaviescoates said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

@nebulon said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

the best way is actually to spread the word or write a blog post or some such

I'm confident that if 6.0 goes open source we could generate significant press coverage

It'd be great title for a headline. But I know this fight has been going on long before me - and the platform is non-obfuscated so I'm happy.

[jdaviescoates]

@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

But I know this fight has been going on long before me

I definitely wouldn't call it a fight

That post is only from July, and as it says at the time I'd only been using Cloudron for 6 month (I first installed it on 10 Jan 2020) so I'm still a newbie myself really

[Lonkle]

@jdaviescoates Honestly you always felt like a vet to me. I didn't mean actual fight; just like ideology vs business model debacle that, I think a lot of people go through. There's no way the developer's would help me do box hot fix patches if they were against being OS, they just want to protect what's most important to them as a business.

It's somewhat similar to how the other open source project I contribute to works, the one I mentioned, altstore.io - AltStore only has 3 apps unless you pay a monthly subscriber fee for more features, but literally all the code is open source, anyone could do whatever they want with it, including easily pirate it. We don't even discourage it. But people pay just because they don't want any complexity at all. That's what Cloudron is. A "just works" system, so I think it would thrive open source, but it's also thriving now so whom I to judge. And I can definitely still say I'm happy with the current status quo of development in Cloudron even at the box level.

[marcusquinn]

@Lonk The platform to me is a convenience gateway to hosting apps & services, with the value in the access to the curated and supported app store.

[Lonkle]

I like how well thought out "sideloading" apps is. That's one of it's biggest benefits for me as a developer, but I see that from a user side too. Maybe that's why I like this. I've always liked sideloading apps.