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Backup failing (flaky CIFS mount)

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  • girishG girish

    @jdaviescoates Yes, at some point we want to make it possible to add mounts easily. When we do that, we can attempt to re-mount automatically, I guess.

    robiR
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    @girish not sure this is the right context..

    this is about existing mounts and their resilience to disconnects.

    • monitoring mounts for health
    • allowing for self-healing if it exists from the protocol
    • if not, try harder, remount command for example
    • if still not, try unmount, then remount
    • if still not, notify to reboot

    Conscious tech

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    • robiR robi

      @girish not sure this is the right context..

      this is about existing mounts and their resilience to disconnects.

      • monitoring mounts for health
      • allowing for self-healing if it exists from the protocol
      • if not, try harder, remount command for example
      • if still not, try unmount, then remount
      • if still not, notify to reboot
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      p44
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      @robi right suggestions.

      @girish I had this problem again: all backup folder this morning where unmounted...

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        @robi right suggestions.

        @girish I had this problem again: all backup folder this morning where unmounted...

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        @p44 said in Backup failing:

        @robi right suggestions.

        @girish I had this problem again: all backup folder this morning where unmounted...

        I've had the same thing again too

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          @p44 said in Backup failing:

          @robi right suggestions.

          @girish I had this problem again: all backup folder this morning where unmounted...

          I've had the same thing again too

          girishG
          girishG
          girish
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          @iqweb Are you also using CIFS/NFS?

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            @p44 said in Backup failing:

            @robi right suggestions.

            @girish I had this problem again: all backup folder this morning where unmounted...

            I've had the same thing again too

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            p44
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            @iqweb Still on Hetzner storage?

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            • girishG girish

              @iqweb Are you also using CIFS/NFS?

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              @girish said in Backup failing:

              @iqweb Are you also using CIFS/NFS?

              Yes - storage provider: CIFS Mount

              @p44 said in Backup failing:

              @iqweb Still on Hetzner storage?

              Yes - Hetzner storage box

              & again - I had to reboot to be able to remount.

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                @girish said in Backup failing:

                @iqweb Are you also using CIFS/NFS?

                Yes - storage provider: CIFS Mount

                @p44 said in Backup failing:

                @iqweb Still on Hetzner storage?

                Yes - Hetzner storage box

                & again - I had to reboot to be able to remount.

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                p44
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                @iqweb Maybe Hetzner sometimes reboot Box instance? From my side is about one week CIFS mount is stable...

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                • nebulonN
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                  nebulon
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                  I also have to remount my cifs share about once a month. In my case I thought it was related to my residential home internet connection. Either way I think we have to handle such mount points better and maybe even attempt a remount automatically.

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                  • nebulonN nebulon

                    I also have to remount my cifs share about once a month. In my case I thought it was related to my residential home internet connection. Either way I think we have to handle such mount points better and maybe even attempt a remount automatically.

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                    p44
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                    @nebulon Good idea to add a health-check to keep alive mounting

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                    • nebulonN nebulon

                      I also have to remount my cifs share about once a month. In my case I thought it was related to my residential home internet connection. Either way I think we have to handle such mount points better and maybe even attempt a remount automatically.

                      girishG
                      girishG
                      girish
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                      @nebulon Does cifs mounting have some retry flags? (i.e the fstab options)

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                      • girishG girish

                        @nebulon Does cifs mounting have some retry flags? (i.e the fstab options)

                        nebulonN
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                        nebulon
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                        @girish not that I have found and https://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs does not mention anything.

                        Apparently systemd has some automounting feature https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.automount.html which mounts the drive once the mountpoint is accessed by a process! Can't tell if it would reconnect such a mount though.

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                        • nebulonN nebulon

                          @girish not that I have found and https://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs does not mention anything.

                          Apparently systemd has some automounting feature https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.automount.html which mounts the drive once the mountpoint is accessed by a process! Can't tell if it would reconnect such a mount though.

                          girishG
                          girishG
                          girish
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                          @nebulon Maybe https://askubuntu.com/questions/1210867/remount-cifs-on-network-reconnect ? (just expands on your link)

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                          • girishG girish

                            @nebulon Maybe https://askubuntu.com/questions/1210867/remount-cifs-on-network-reconnect ? (just expands on your link)

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                            imc67
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                            @girish & @nebulon any news on this issue?

                            I started yesterday to backup via cifs to a Hetzner storagebox (2 backups a day), today the first backup failed due to

                            Command failed with exit code 1 (EPERM): df -kPT /backups_cifs
                            

                            I solved it with a manual:

                            sudo umount /backups_cifs
                            sudo mount -a
                            

                            But do I need to script this with a daily cron or is Cloudron able to recover from this somehow?

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                            • imc67I imc67

                              @girish & @nebulon any news on this issue?

                              I started yesterday to backup via cifs to a Hetzner storagebox (2 backups a day), today the first backup failed due to

                              Command failed with exit code 1 (EPERM): df -kPT /backups_cifs
                              

                              I solved it with a manual:

                              sudo umount /backups_cifs
                              sudo mount -a
                              

                              But do I need to script this with a daily cron or is Cloudron able to recover from this somehow?

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                              p44
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                              #22

                              @imc67 Dear, this happened because Hetzner did some maintenance on their Box Service.

                              Also a Cloudron restart solved problem.

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                                @imc67 Dear, this happened because Hetzner did some maintenance on their Box Service.

                                Also a Cloudron restart solved problem.

                                nebulonN
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                                nebulon
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                                @p44 actually I hit the same thing today morning, had to remount the disk. I happily ignored the heads up warning email about the maintenance from hetzner 😉

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                                • nebulonN nebulon

                                  @p44 actually I hit the same thing today morning, had to remount the disk. I happily ignored the heads up warning email about the maintenance from hetzner 😉

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                                  p44
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                                  #24

                                  @nebulon Yes, but not all my Cloudron installs has been affected, even if attached at the same Hetzner Box... Just restarted and all was operational again 🙂

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                                    @nebulon Yes, but not all my Cloudron installs has been affected, even if attached at the same Hetzner Box... Just restarted and all was operational again 🙂

                                    nebulonN
                                    nebulonN
                                    nebulon
                                    Staff
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                                    @p44 in such cases a remount alone would be enough, no need to reboot the whole server, if that is what you did. This would then not affect downtime. We will soon implement auto-remounting in such cases.

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                                    • nebulonN nebulon

                                      @p44 in such cases a remount alone would be enough, no need to reboot the whole server, if that is what you did. This would then not affect downtime. We will soon implement auto-remounting in such cases.

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                                      p44
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                                      @nebulon Yes before rebooting I tried to umount-remount but it seems it has been impossible due to an error... So I decided to restart.

                                      About auto-remounting it will be an amazing feature

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