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Backup failing (flaky CIFS mount)

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  • robiR robi

    @girish not sure this is the right context..

    this is about existing mounts and their resilience to disconnects.

    • monitoring mounts for health
    • allowing for self-healing if it exists from the protocol
    • if not, try harder, remount command for example
    • if still not, try unmount, then remount
    • if still not, notify to reboot
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    @robi right suggestions.

    @girish I had this problem again: all backup folder this morning where unmounted...

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      @robi right suggestions.

      @girish I had this problem again: all backup folder this morning where unmounted...

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      @p44 said in Backup failing:

      @robi right suggestions.

      @girish I had this problem again: all backup folder this morning where unmounted...

      I've had the same thing again too

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        @p44 said in Backup failing:

        @robi right suggestions.

        @girish I had this problem again: all backup folder this morning where unmounted...

        I've had the same thing again too

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        @iqweb Are you also using CIFS/NFS?

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          @p44 said in Backup failing:

          @robi right suggestions.

          @girish I had this problem again: all backup folder this morning where unmounted...

          I've had the same thing again too

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          @iqweb Still on Hetzner storage?

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          • girishG girish

            @iqweb Are you also using CIFS/NFS?

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            @girish said in Backup failing:

            @iqweb Are you also using CIFS/NFS?

            Yes - storage provider: CIFS Mount

            @p44 said in Backup failing:

            @iqweb Still on Hetzner storage?

            Yes - Hetzner storage box

            & again - I had to reboot to be able to remount.

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              @girish said in Backup failing:

              @iqweb Are you also using CIFS/NFS?

              Yes - storage provider: CIFS Mount

              @p44 said in Backup failing:

              @iqweb Still on Hetzner storage?

              Yes - Hetzner storage box

              & again - I had to reboot to be able to remount.

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              @iqweb Maybe Hetzner sometimes reboot Box instance? From my side is about one week CIFS mount is stable...

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                I also have to remount my cifs share about once a month. In my case I thought it was related to my residential home internet connection. Either way I think we have to handle such mount points better and maybe even attempt a remount automatically.

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                • nebulonN nebulon

                  I also have to remount my cifs share about once a month. In my case I thought it was related to my residential home internet connection. Either way I think we have to handle such mount points better and maybe even attempt a remount automatically.

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                  @nebulon Good idea to add a health-check to keep alive mounting

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                  • nebulonN nebulon

                    I also have to remount my cifs share about once a month. In my case I thought it was related to my residential home internet connection. Either way I think we have to handle such mount points better and maybe even attempt a remount automatically.

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                    @nebulon Does cifs mounting have some retry flags? (i.e the fstab options)

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                    • girishG girish

                      @nebulon Does cifs mounting have some retry flags? (i.e the fstab options)

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                      @girish not that I have found and https://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs does not mention anything.

                      Apparently systemd has some automounting feature https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.automount.html which mounts the drive once the mountpoint is accessed by a process! Can't tell if it would reconnect such a mount though.

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                      • nebulonN nebulon

                        @girish not that I have found and https://linux.die.net/man/8/mount.cifs does not mention anything.

                        Apparently systemd has some automounting feature https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.automount.html which mounts the drive once the mountpoint is accessed by a process! Can't tell if it would reconnect such a mount though.

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                        @nebulon Maybe https://askubuntu.com/questions/1210867/remount-cifs-on-network-reconnect ? (just expands on your link)

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                        • girishG girish

                          @nebulon Maybe https://askubuntu.com/questions/1210867/remount-cifs-on-network-reconnect ? (just expands on your link)

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                          @girish & @nebulon any news on this issue?

                          I started yesterday to backup via cifs to a Hetzner storagebox (2 backups a day), today the first backup failed due to

                          Command failed with exit code 1 (EPERM): df -kPT /backups_cifs
                          

                          I solved it with a manual:

                          sudo umount /backups_cifs
                          sudo mount -a
                          

                          But do I need to script this with a daily cron or is Cloudron able to recover from this somehow?

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                            @girish & @nebulon any news on this issue?

                            I started yesterday to backup via cifs to a Hetzner storagebox (2 backups a day), today the first backup failed due to

                            Command failed with exit code 1 (EPERM): df -kPT /backups_cifs
                            

                            I solved it with a manual:

                            sudo umount /backups_cifs
                            sudo mount -a
                            

                            But do I need to script this with a daily cron or is Cloudron able to recover from this somehow?

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                            @imc67 Dear, this happened because Hetzner did some maintenance on their Box Service.

                            Also a Cloudron restart solved problem.

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                              @imc67 Dear, this happened because Hetzner did some maintenance on their Box Service.

                              Also a Cloudron restart solved problem.

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                              @p44 actually I hit the same thing today morning, had to remount the disk. I happily ignored the heads up warning email about the maintenance from hetzner 😉

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                              • nebulonN nebulon

                                @p44 actually I hit the same thing today morning, had to remount the disk. I happily ignored the heads up warning email about the maintenance from hetzner 😉

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                                @nebulon Yes, but not all my Cloudron installs has been affected, even if attached at the same Hetzner Box... Just restarted and all was operational again 🙂

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                                  @nebulon Yes, but not all my Cloudron installs has been affected, even if attached at the same Hetzner Box... Just restarted and all was operational again 🙂

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                                  @p44 in such cases a remount alone would be enough, no need to reboot the whole server, if that is what you did. This would then not affect downtime. We will soon implement auto-remounting in such cases.

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                                  • nebulonN nebulon

                                    @p44 in such cases a remount alone would be enough, no need to reboot the whole server, if that is what you did. This would then not affect downtime. We will soon implement auto-remounting in such cases.

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                                    @nebulon Yes before rebooting I tried to umount-remount but it seems it has been impossible due to an error... So I decided to restart.

                                    About auto-remounting it will be an amazing feature

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