Nextcloud Talk Speed Issues - possible solution

[marcusquinn]

Seems we might need pm.max_children in /etc/php/{7.4}/fpm/pool.d/www.conf adjusted:

• https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed/issues/3183#issuecomment-924911292=
• https://github.com/nextcloud/spreed/issues/2010#issuecomment-601755020=

We have 100+ users, so would likely need a value of say 300, where the default is 5?

[fbartels]

@marcusquinn yes, if many users need to be handled increasing parallel processes makes sense. But the value should be admin configurable since the more processes, the more memory is needed. In addition max_children has its bottleneck in CPU cores. The recommendation seems to be six processes per core.

[marcusquinn]

Thanks. We're still testing, but from @vladimir-d (asleep now): "Probably we need to amend mpm_prefork.conf"

• https://www.techrepublic.com/videos/how-to-enable-apache-mpm-prefork-to-improve-performance/

"changed /app/data/apache/mpm_prefork.conf as follows:"

default is:

• https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/nextcloud-app/-/blob/master/apache/mpm_prefork.conf

We won't know for 3-4h though, as we are affected by this issue until the next version is released:

• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/7400/slow-startup-caused-by-fixing-permissions-in-start-sh

We have 64GB RAM, 32GB allocated for Nextcloud, and only using 15GB across the whole server at the mo, so headroom there to grow, but configs need to allow for using more of it.

[girish]

@marcusquinn the fpm config (in the initial post) won't work since the package does not use fpm and instead uses modphp (your latter post).

[marcusquinn]

@girish Seems to have helped solve the speed issues significantly, all very fast now. Worth updating the defaults for all packaged apps, or making them configurable and documenting the meaning of the settings and sort of values for various server and user count sizes?

[robi]

@marcusquinn it would be nice if NC:Talk could be a standalone app w/o the rest.

[marcusquinn]

@robi You can do that with the Hide Sidebars app and a web app creator live Nativefier or PWAs for Firefox.

Alternatively, use the App Order add-on to make it first in your top bar to be default and untick or uninstall any others not wanted.

[robi]

@marcusquinn thanks, but that is still wrapped in nextcloud.

Zero Nextcloud would be Talk as standalone.

[marcusquinn]

@robi So Spreed then https://www.spreed.eu/

[robi]

@marcusquinn Yes, that's it!

Just needs to be self hostable.

[fbartels]

@marcusquinn said in Nextcloud Talk Speed Issues - possible solution:

You can do that with the Hide Sidebars app

does that work for you with talk? just wanted to give this a spin and while it works for the file app, it does not work for talk for me.

[marcusquinn]

@fbartels Hmm, works on the Files apps, but not on Talk. Anyone fancy logging the issue?

• https://github.com/pointcz/hidesidebars/issues

[fbartels]

@marcusquinn issue at https://github.com/pointcz/hidesidebars/issues/8.

Funnily there is an issue from 2020 that also suggests that hide sidebars could be useful with nativefier.

[andreasdueren]

@robi Jitsi won't work for your use case?

[robi]

@andreasdueren said in Nextcloud Talk Speed Issues - possible solution:

@robi Jitsi won't work for your use case?

It does, however it does not include async chat, for which we use Mattermost.

NC is way to hefty for us otherwise.

[andreasdueren]

@robi I see. But then maybe RocketChat is right for you? I used to run a snap package until we got bigger needs and transfered from Microsoft. I was always very happy and you can couple it with your jitsi instance

[robi]

@andreasdueren We used to use RC 3 years ago for another project, but had to switch for many reasons.

We even had a partnership with the team behind RC, good people, who at the time could not deliver on our needs in time.

Defintely worth a re-evaluation next go around.