Seafile selfhosted
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Re: Seafile - cloud storage platform
Seafile is file sync server
It works much faster than nextcloud sync, has also extended administration options and the option to integrate with collabora online same as with nextcloud
Why not to include it in the application list?
P.S. Also the Pro edition that packed with all the featured is free up to 3 users@hiddNX said in Seafile selfhosted:
It works much faster than nextcloud sync, has also extended administration options and the option to integrate with collabora online same as with nextcloud
This claim about Seafile being faster than Nextcloud (and/or Owncloud) has been making rounds across the Internet for a couple of years now (example from 2014) but I wonder if (i) it was ever true, (ii) it's still true and (iii) supported by any reliable data / bench mark.
It's nice that they have fulltext search for files, although IIRC it does not work if the files are encrypted (apparently, Nextcloud does).
Was the dispute beetween the China based parent company and it's German subsidiary ever resolved?
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The community edition is released under the terms of the GNU Affero General Public License v3. The professional edition is released under a proprietary license.
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@hiddNX said in Seafile selfhosted:
It works much faster than nextcloud sync, has also extended administration options and the option to integrate with collabora online same as with nextcloud
This claim about Seafile being faster than Nextcloud (and/or Owncloud) has been making rounds across the Internet for a couple of years now (example from 2014) but I wonder if (i) it was ever true, (ii) it's still true and (iii) supported by any reliable data / bench mark.
It's nice that they have fulltext search for files, although IIRC it does not work if the files are encrypted (apparently, Nextcloud does).
Was the dispute beetween the China based parent company and it's German subsidiary ever resolved?
Also:
The community edition is released under the terms of the GNU Affero General Public License v3. The professional edition is released under a proprietary license.
@necrevistonnezr said in Seafile selfhosted:
Was the dispute beetween the China based parent company and it's German subsidiary ever resolved?
The german company has stopped its business afair. But they have a new point of contact with https://www.datamate.org/seafile/server-plattformen/.
@necrevistonnezr said in Seafile selfhosted:
I wonder if (i) it was ever true, (ii) it's still true and (iii) supported by any reliable data / bench mark.
no numbers in it, but a general comparison can be found at https://blog.ssdnodes.com/blog/nextcloud-vs-seafile-dropbox-alternative/
I think the big challenge for solutions like Nextcloud is that all file processing is happening through php and when your php processor is busy receiving files then this will slow down ui interaction for users of the web client (even more so since EVERYTHING is php in Nextcloud). I do put some hopes into this new "infinite scale" backend that owncloud is working on, though.
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Previous wish here too:
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1237/seafile-cloud-storage-platform -
@necrevistonnezr said in Seafile selfhosted:
Was the dispute beetween the China based parent company and it's German subsidiary ever resolved?
The german company has stopped its business afair. But they have a new point of contact with https://www.datamate.org/seafile/server-plattformen/.
@necrevistonnezr said in Seafile selfhosted:
I wonder if (i) it was ever true, (ii) it's still true and (iii) supported by any reliable data / bench mark.
no numbers in it, but a general comparison can be found at https://blog.ssdnodes.com/blog/nextcloud-vs-seafile-dropbox-alternative/
I think the big challenge for solutions like Nextcloud is that all file processing is happening through php and when your php processor is busy receiving files then this will slow down ui interaction for users of the web client (even more so since EVERYTHING is php in Nextcloud). I do put some hopes into this new "infinite scale" backend that owncloud is working on, though.
@fbartels said in Seafile selfhosted:
I do put some hopes into this new "infinite scale" backend that owncloud is working on, though.
Will that feed into Nextcloud development? Or are you suggesting Cloudron should add ownCloud?
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@fbartels said in Seafile selfhosted:
I do put some hopes into this new "infinite scale" backend that owncloud is working on, though.
Will that feed into Nextcloud development? Or are you suggesting Cloudron should add ownCloud?
@christiaan We actually had ownCloud (https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/owncloud-app) and it was one of our very first apps. But OC stopped working with the postgres in ubuntu 18. We waited a long while for them to update it, but they didn't. Maybe they have fixed it now. Have to look into it again.
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@fbartels said in Seafile selfhosted:
I do put some hopes into this new "infinite scale" backend that owncloud is working on, though.
Will that feed into Nextcloud development? Or are you suggesting Cloudron should add ownCloud?
@christiaan said in Seafile selfhosted:
Will that feed into Nextcloud development?
That pretty much depends on the Nextcloud developers. But I have my doubts they will, since this change pretty much breaks the way integrations work for them.
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Thanks guys. I look forward to their rewrite of ownCloud in Go (and their new interface). That sounds promising.
One thing that ownCloud has over Nextcloud is support for delta sync. We're an architects practice and we need delta sync to work efficiently with the collaboration features in our CAD/BIM software. We can have multiple people working on a building model throughout the day who need to sync changes periodically. Doesn't work very well if they need to sync the entire file each time, especially given that some of our files can be 1 GB in size.
Seafile interests me for the same reason; they also support delta sync. And seem to have a good rep and a well-designed interface. (Plus a nice wiki implementation).
I've tried Syncthing previously (before I discovered self-hosted cloud-computing and Cloudron) and I found the user interface too much to deal with.
P.S. I'm loving Cloundron btw, it's really well done.
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Thanks guys. I look forward to their rewrite of ownCloud in Go (and their new interface). That sounds promising.
One thing that ownCloud has over Nextcloud is support for delta sync. We're an architects practice and we need delta sync to work efficiently with the collaboration features in our CAD/BIM software. We can have multiple people working on a building model throughout the day who need to sync changes periodically. Doesn't work very well if they need to sync the entire file each time, especially given that some of our files can be 1 GB in size.
Seafile interests me for the same reason; they also support delta sync. And seem to have a good rep and a well-designed interface. (Plus a nice wiki implementation).
I've tried Syncthing previously (before I discovered self-hosted cloud-computing and Cloudron) and I found the user interface too much to deal with.
P.S. I'm loving Cloundron btw, it's really well done.
@christiaan said in Seafile selfhosted:
We're an architects practice and we need delta sync to work efficiently with the collaboration features in our CAD/BIM software. We can have multiple people working on a building model throughout the day who need to sync changes periodically. Doesn't work very well if they need to sync the entire file each time, especially given that some of our files can be 1 GB in size.
Slightly off topic but wonder if https://wikifactory.com would be useful for you? See https://wikifactory.com/features
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@christiaan said in Seafile selfhosted:
We're an architects practice and we need delta sync to work efficiently with the collaboration features in our CAD/BIM software. We can have multiple people working on a building model throughout the day who need to sync changes periodically. Doesn't work very well if they need to sync the entire file each time, especially given that some of our files can be 1 GB in size.
Slightly off topic but wonder if https://wikifactory.com would be useful for you? See https://wikifactory.com/features
@jdaviescoates said in Seafile selfhosted:
We design buildings rather than products, but that's a very cool website, thanks.
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@hiddNX said in Seafile selfhosted:
It works much faster than nextcloud sync, has also extended administration options and the option to integrate with collabora online same as with nextcloud
This claim about Seafile being faster than Nextcloud (and/or Owncloud) has been making rounds across the Internet for a couple of years now (example from 2014) but I wonder if (i) it was ever true, (ii) it's still true and (iii) supported by any reliable data / bench mark.
It's nice that they have fulltext search for files, although IIRC it does not work if the files are encrypted (apparently, Nextcloud does).
Was the dispute beetween the China based parent company and it's German subsidiary ever resolved?
Also:
The community edition is released under the terms of the GNU Affero General Public License v3. The professional edition is released under a proprietary license.
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@necrevistonnezr I believe Seafile is block sync, and Nextcloud is file sync. Both fast at different things. (depending on file sizes.)
@will said in Seafile selfhosted:
@necrevistonnezr I believe Seafile is block sync, and Nextcloud is file sync. Both fast at different things. (depending on file sizes.)
Right, I understand block sync as 'delta sync'. We actually need that to work in our CAD software efficiently. I'm not aware of it creating any sort of performance issues for different files though. Does it make small file syncing slower or something?
I believe the only reason Nextcloud haven't implemented it is that they don't believe the development resources are worth it for the number of people who need it.
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@will said in Seafile selfhosted:
@necrevistonnezr I believe Seafile is block sync, and Nextcloud is file sync. Both fast at different things. (depending on file sizes.)
Right, I understand block sync as 'delta sync'. We actually need that to work in our CAD software efficiently. I'm not aware of it creating any sort of performance issues for different files though. Does it make small file syncing slower or something?
I believe the only reason Nextcloud haven't implemented it is that they don't believe the development resources are worth it for the number of people who need it.
@christiaan Exactly!
"When differences exist between files, instead of requiring the transfer of the entire file, the block synchronization transfers only changes. Block synchronization is the method appropriate for database applications, such as MS Exchange, Oracle or SQL Server." -
@christiaan Exactly!
"When differences exist between files, instead of requiring the transfer of the entire file, the block synchronization transfers only changes. Block synchronization is the method appropriate for database applications, such as MS Exchange, Oracle or SQL Server."@will I guess my CAD software collaboration feature is an outlier case, because it's file-based, not database-based, but needs delta/block sync to work efficiently.
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@will I guess my CAD software collaboration feature is an outlier case, because it's file-based, not database-based, but needs delta/block sync to work efficiently.
@christiaan well remember, everything is blocks on the hard drive, it's just a question of how that's all exposed to be shared.
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