Better Alternative to Cloudron
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@sir-paradise said in Better Alternative to Cloudron:
d I could tell you some cracking ideas that would make Cloudron the top of the list because in the end it is about what type of user wants to use Cloudron so if you cover all markets you will be at the top.
I am interested in hearing what some of those ideas might be, if you wouldn't mind mentioning some of them.
I would like more applications on Cloudron, too, for example for XMPP.
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@sir-paradise We've investigated this before, and I would honestly say that I think the best option we found was FreePBX, and its just better to have it on its own VPS, for the same reasons you want Cloudron on a dedicated VPS, and not within a Docker Container.
You'll just have a lot easier time with it being dedicated only to its own purpose, ports, and being standard for any support needs for the app.
I think ProxMox might suit your needs better if you want to self-host a VoIP/PBX app.
Happy to be proven wrong, but the answer was to the "why" part of the question, and I think having a mission-critical app like that setup in a way that the app author would recognise and be able to support would be safer for maintaining.
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Doesn't nextcloud do video calls, had a colleague with it set up. can't say I was ever interested in implementing it myself. Afterall, there comes a point where you are forced to video call to people outside your company and then people just gravitate towards the latest widely used platform, like zoom
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@AartJansen said in Better Alternative to Cloudron:
Doesn't nextcloud do video calls
Yes, it does.
@AartJansen said in Better Alternative to Cloudron:
Afterall, there comes a point where you are forced to video call to people outside your company and then people just gravitate towards the latest widely used platform, like zoom
Perfectly possible/ easy to invite guests to Nextcloud Talk calls.
But it doesn't scale like Zoom etc does for large meetings, at least not without the Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end .
@doodlemania2 on here offers a hosted version of that, but I've not yet tried it myself (don't often have the need to host large meetings).
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@jdaviescoates MiroTalk SFU does that, which @Kubernetes has a package for
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Hello,
of course cloudron guys just do a great and very active job so I won't say more on this point.
I am afraid that if participants are more than 3, or you have a really powerful server or you have no real alternative than big services (not necessarily proprietary or big corporations).
BUT up to this number I tried in the past kopano meet (wich worked good, is very nice and is available in cloudron since a very long time), and then switched to nextcloud talk wich is just working great for video/voice calls:- user based or public access (using link)
- chat always available
- screen sharing on the fly
- phone app very well integrated with a great push notification flow
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MiroTalk SFU is a lot better than Jitsi will ever be. I have been doing a lot of research on this myself and have found that yes, at this time, there is no real good option to go for. A discord alternative is not possible at this time sad to say but at the moment most chat packages today are all Jitsi alternatives with only conference calls and text. I did have a chat with one of the Devs at Zello, but they said they would only speak to Cloudron if they were interested. Go chat with them. Someone will bring back that type of Voice chat room experience but not at the moment, sad to say
It seems that live chat is a thing of the past now and all we have is conference type apps.
There are some projects out there, but they're listening to the Na Sayers too much, and they are left for dead, which is such a shame.
I was the owner of VoiceChatAlpha and all I did was put a different interface on mumble and made chat rooms, this was back in 2010 when Minecraft came out, and we had a 7-year great time, but then Discord came out plus mobile devices became more popular, and it was too much for me as VCA was only a desktop app for Windows which was great in its time. I started on Yahoo chat and made great friends in chat rooms, and it is this type of voice chat is now just a thing of the past and I have to face that fact that we have moved on from that sort of chat. I used to laugh and say the guys who made Discord saw my project VoiceChatAlpha and just done a better job than me. People are stuck with Discord I'm afraid. -
@sir-paradise Thanks, that was interesting. What do you reckon of Revolt as an alternative to Discord?
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@LoudLemur said in Better Alternative to Cloudron:
What do you reckon of Revolt as an alternative to Discord?
https://revolt.chat/Here's the App Wishlist post for Revolt https://forum.cloudron.io/post/36407 (which imho looks like the closest open source thing to Discord, basically a clone)
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Yes https://revolt.chat/ is run by quite young Devs, but they are trying, but it is going very slowly, I have been watching their progress for the last 2 years, and it seems to be slowing down at the moment, they seem stuck on the VoIP side of things because the rest is easy, I am hoping they might get some help at some point. That's all I can really say on that them and I wish them the best as they seem to be the only ones trying. I'd love to help them with the Mumble side of things but different code languages, so I can not just give them any of my old source code, let's see how they get on I guess. I still think Cloudron should try to do a deal with Zello because it is the same concept as Mumble, plus text and file sharing, Yet another company making it easy to use Mumble just like Discord, that's all it boils down to with the last of the chat rooms/channels. Many thanks.
