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Redis license change

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  • girishG Offline
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    girish
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    #1

    https://redis.com/blog/redis-adopts-dual-source-available-licensing/

    IANAL: They move from BSD to SSPL/Source available.

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      wrote on last edited by necrevistonnezr
      #2

      See Elasticsearch, Hashicorp, etc.
      Seems to be the future of successful projects that started as open-source and that have been exploited heavily by the likes of Amazon, Google, and other cloud providers.

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      • necrevistonnezrN necrevistonnezr

        See Elasticsearch, Hashicorp, etc.
        Seems to be the future of successful projects that started as open-source and that have been exploited heavily by the likes of Amazon, Google, and other cloud providers.

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        wrote on last edited by LoudLemur
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        @necrevistonnezr said in Redis license change:

        See Elasticsearch, Hashicorp, etc.
        Seems to be the future of successful projects that started as open-source and that have been exploited heavily by the likes of Amazon, Google, and other cloud providers.

        What do you mean by "exploited" here? I just want to know what sorts of things they are doing.

        "Open Core" a.k.a. "Fauxpen Source" was long bewailed by RMS. He calls it "disgusting".

        I was just pondering this topic actually, looking at a lot of models coming out for AI. So many a not using Free licences, it is quite a disappointment.

        Think about that famous photo of the bullet going through the apple or the National Geographic cover of the mountain girl with the eyes. Ever since those days, anybody with a camera (and there have been many!) has opted for non-Free licencing of their pictures, in the forlorn dream of hitting the jackpot and making bank on a photo like that. All that content, which never really had the remotest chance of earning money, was non-Free and basically excluded from use in our culture.

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          is the future of open-source redis with Valkey ? https://github.com/valkey-io/valkey

          the Linux Foundation announced its intent to form Valkey, an open source alternative to the Redis in-memory, NoSQL data store
          https://www.linuxfoundation.org/press/linux-foundation-launches-open-source-valkey-community

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          • girishG Offline
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            https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/966631/6bf2063136effa1e/ had a good overview of the situation

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            • L LoudLemur

              @necrevistonnezr said in Redis license change:

              See Elasticsearch, Hashicorp, etc.
              Seems to be the future of successful projects that started as open-source and that have been exploited heavily by the likes of Amazon, Google, and other cloud providers.

              What do you mean by "exploited" here? I just want to know what sorts of things they are doing.

              "Open Core" a.k.a. "Fauxpen Source" was long bewailed by RMS. He calls it "disgusting".

              I was just pondering this topic actually, looking at a lot of models coming out for AI. So many a not using Free licences, it is quite a disappointment.

              Think about that famous photo of the bullet going through the apple or the National Geographic cover of the mountain girl with the eyes. Ever since those days, anybody with a camera (and there have been many!) has opted for non-Free licencing of their pictures, in the forlorn dream of hitting the jackpot and making bank on a photo like that. All that content, which never really had the remotest chance of earning money, was non-Free and basically excluded from use in our culture.

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              @LoudLemur said in Redis license change:

              @necrevistonnezr said in Redis license change:

              See Elasticsearch, Hashicorp, etc.
              Seems to be the future of successful projects that started as open-source and that have been exploited heavily by the likes of Amazon, Google, and other cloud providers.

              What do you mean by "exploited" here? I just want to know what sorts of things they are doing.

              They take free open source software and offer ready-made SaaS instances against a fee - without paying the software creators a penny.
              See some background at https://www.elastic.co/blog/why-license-change-aws

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                I saw today that Fedora Linux is targeting deprecation of Redis[1] in favour of Valkey due to licensing. That’s not entirely surprising given Fedora’s ethos on non-free software.

                As Cloudron only officially supports Ubuntu, and I don’t know what Canonical’s plans are wrt Redis, I don’t expect what Fedora does is a guidance to the Cloudron team. However, given that Redis is a core component for Cloudron I’m wondering if there are any plans to move to Valkey, as Fedora Linux 41 plans to.

                1. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2293631
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                  Saw this (via the excellent https://selfh.st/ newsletter) and thought of this thread:

                  https://www.gomomento.com/blog/valkey-turns-one-how-the-community-fork-left-redis-in-the-dust/

                  I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                  • robiR Offline
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                    There are a few no-code changes; drop-in replacements for Redis:

                    1. KeyDB - https://github.com/Snapchat/KeyDB
                    2. DragonFly - https://github.com/dragonflydb/dragonfly

                    Another capable option is:
                    Hazelcast - https://github.com/hazelcast/hazelcast

                    My question is what would suit Multi-Cloudron 9+ needs down the line where things get more interesting?

                    Conscious tech

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