OpenAI & Nextcloud Performance
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We have gone and put our nextcloud on a standalone server. It's only because testing cloudron's nextcluoud install compared to a standalone install on a server via AIO installer. We found there were a lot of bugs compared to Cloudron version.
Not just that performance issues.
@apesorguk are you saying that for you AIO had less bugs and better performance than Nextcloud on Cloudron? or the other way around? It's not entirely clear.
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@apesorguk are you saying that for you AIO had less bugs and better performance than Nextcloud on Cloudron? or the other way around? It's not entirely clear.
Sorry for not being clear.
I am finding performance to be better; we are currently running 20 users, using over 60 Apps.
We found that once we got to 7-8 users, we had to give much more resources to the cloudron instance of NextCloud. Using 14GB Ram with a load average of 12.6%
The install we have of nextcloud via AIO on standalone server is running 20 users, 4.8GB at a load average of 6.7%
Not just that, issues with the mail app adding email accounts; we would always get errors adding the account and would have to retry autherisation 2-3 times before it worked (without retypeing anything. Then sometimes, it would say there was an issue adding an account, but when we tried again, it would work, but there would be two accounts with the same name.
Since moving to AIO install on a standalone server, adding mail accounts to the mail app works the first time.
We are still using the OpenID Connect from our Cloudron server for the users and login to our Nextcloud install and we are still using the mail server on our Cloudron to provide mail to nextcloud mail app.
We also found the user table on standalone install to be more functional than the instance of nextcloud on cloudron. What I mean by that is the selection box for Groups on the cloudron install was temperamental, not showing the list correctly when scrolling down. When selecting a group,p the selection box would stay until you clicked a certain area on the page. These issues do not seem to be present on a standalone install.
All in all we found running nextcloud on cloudron to be problematic.I noticed this really when watching the webinar regarding the latest release. Then tried it out my self running the same cloudron version as on a standalone and noticed the difference straight way.
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Sorry for not being clear.
I am finding performance to be better; we are currently running 20 users, using over 60 Apps.
We found that once we got to 7-8 users, we had to give much more resources to the cloudron instance of NextCloud. Using 14GB Ram with a load average of 12.6%
The install we have of nextcloud via AIO on standalone server is running 20 users, 4.8GB at a load average of 6.7%
Not just that, issues with the mail app adding email accounts; we would always get errors adding the account and would have to retry autherisation 2-3 times before it worked (without retypeing anything. Then sometimes, it would say there was an issue adding an account, but when we tried again, it would work, but there would be two accounts with the same name.
Since moving to AIO install on a standalone server, adding mail accounts to the mail app works the first time.
We are still using the OpenID Connect from our Cloudron server for the users and login to our Nextcloud install and we are still using the mail server on our Cloudron to provide mail to nextcloud mail app.
We also found the user table on standalone install to be more functional than the instance of nextcloud on cloudron. What I mean by that is the selection box for Groups on the cloudron install was temperamental, not showing the list correctly when scrolling down. When selecting a group,p the selection box would stay until you clicked a certain area on the page. These issues do not seem to be present on a standalone install.
All in all we found running nextcloud on cloudron to be problematic.I noticed this really when watching the webinar regarding the latest release. Then tried it out my self running the same cloudron version as on a standalone and noticed the difference straight way.
@apesorguk interesting, thanks.
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Well, AIO is now their „official install method“: https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one
and listed as the first self installable option:
See the request topic here: https://forum.cloudron.io/post/59540
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Well, AIO is now their „official install method“: https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one
and listed as the first self installable option:
See the request topic here: https://forum.cloudron.io/post/59540
@necrevistonnezr That also has the benefit (or burden) of integrated full text search and whiteboard which are two additional packaging requests
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Sorry for not being clear.
I am finding performance to be better; we are currently running 20 users, using over 60 Apps.
We found that once we got to 7-8 users, we had to give much more resources to the cloudron instance of NextCloud. Using 14GB Ram with a load average of 12.6%
The install we have of nextcloud via AIO on standalone server is running 20 users, 4.8GB at a load average of 6.7%
Not just that, issues with the mail app adding email accounts; we would always get errors adding the account and would have to retry autherisation 2-3 times before it worked (without retypeing anything. Then sometimes, it would say there was an issue adding an account, but when we tried again, it would work, but there would be two accounts with the same name.
Since moving to AIO install on a standalone server, adding mail accounts to the mail app works the first time.
We are still using the OpenID Connect from our Cloudron server for the users and login to our Nextcloud install and we are still using the mail server on our Cloudron to provide mail to nextcloud mail app.
We also found the user table on standalone install to be more functional than the instance of nextcloud on cloudron. What I mean by that is the selection box for Groups on the cloudron install was temperamental, not showing the list correctly when scrolling down. When selecting a group,p the selection box would stay until you clicked a certain area on the page. These issues do not seem to be present on a standalone install.
All in all we found running nextcloud on cloudron to be problematic.I noticed this really when watching the webinar regarding the latest release. Then tried it out my self running the same cloudron version as on a standalone and noticed the difference straight way.
@apesorguk What kind of VPS that you use at the moment? We actually have similar case with 20 users, but so far we only use memory as much as 8 GB with 4 CPU with AWS . the only issue we face is only sometimes CPU spike. How do you measure the load average?
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Well, AIO is now their „official install method“: https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one
and listed as the first self installable option:
See the request topic here: https://forum.cloudron.io/post/59540
@necrevistonnezr said in OpenAI:
Well, AIO is now their „official install method“: https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one
Interesting.
It does have lots of great additional features. I'd like the Cloudron Nextcloud package to be this All in One package, if possible.
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@apesorguk What kind of VPS that you use at the moment? We actually have similar case with 20 users, but so far we only use memory as much as 8 GB with 4 CPU with AWS . the only issue we face is only sometimes CPU spike. How do you measure the load average?
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@apesorguk interesting, thanks.
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No problem, and please don't get me wrong cloudron is great in a lot of areas we use apps. But Nextcloud, unfortunately, doesn't look like it. And we need a stable nextcloud server.
@apesorguk said in OpenAI & Nextcloud Performance:
And we need a stable nextcloud server.
I think lots of us using Cloudron Nextcloud fine (albeit without all the nice features AIO has) but fair enough
Sounds to me though that this might be something @staff ought to take a closer look at
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@apesorguk Have you tuning up using workers in Apache PHP Forks in Cloudron?
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@necrevistonnezr said in OpenAI:
Well, AIO is now their „official install method“: https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one
Interesting.
It does have lots of great additional features. I'd like the Cloudron Nextcloud package to be this All in One package, if possible.
@jdaviescoates said in OpenAI & Nextcloud Performance:
@necrevistonnezr said in OpenAI:
Well, AIO is now their „official install method“: https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one
Interesting.
It does have lots of great additional features. I'd like the Cloudron Nextcloud package to be this All in One package, if possible.
Upvote if you haven't done yet: https://forum.cloudron.io/post/59540
And yes, this should be the default now... -
AFAIK, AIO is really just another deployment method. Fundamentally, the software being deployed is the same. Maybe the Cloudron nextcloud package can learn from the Dockerfile upstream (for example, upstream uses php fpm as opposed to apache mod php). From my past of moving these stacks back and forth, these tech stack changes produce no performance benefits in real life .
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Well, one main difference is that the apps and add-ons included in AIO are already installed, configured, compatible, and working together (or at least should be...). They're also updated in unison.
If you look at support requests in this subforum, they very often are rooted in an incompatibility of add-on- /app-versions and the Nextcloud main software. Also, installing and configuring such add-ons can be a major PITA. -
AFAIK, AIO is really just another deployment method. Fundamentally, the software being deployed is the same. Maybe the Cloudron nextcloud package can learn from the Dockerfile upstream (for example, upstream uses php fpm as opposed to apache mod php). From my past of moving these stacks back and forth, these tech stack changes produce no performance benefits in real life .
@joseph said in OpenAI & Nextcloud Performance:
AIO is really just another deployment method
Not really.
The clue is in the name "All in one".
Some of the key things what is has that we simply just don't have at all yet on Cloudron, but that we'd basically all like to have are:
- Full text search
- High performance back end for files
- High performance back end for talk
- Backend server for whiteboard app
Exactly how these things get added to Cloudron I leave to Cloudron @staff but they should definitely all be added IMHO.
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yes fair, it's a full bundle. Unfortunately, using AIO itself is out of question because it is a Docker manager of it's own . (and from quick grepping none of those nextcloud apps/plugins are pinned ) . I gave it a qiuck try but was unable to get past the setup. It kept complaining my firewall is closed, I don't even have a firewall on DO . Didn't investigate much further.
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yes fair, it's a full bundle. Unfortunately, using AIO itself is out of question because it is a Docker manager of it's own . (and from quick grepping none of those nextcloud apps/plugins are pinned ) . I gave it a qiuck try but was unable to get past the setup. It kept complaining my firewall is closed, I don't even have a firewall on DO . Didn't investigate much further.
