After Ubuntu 22/24 Upgrade syslog getting spammed and grows way to much clogging up the diskspace

[sozialinfo]

We're currently seeing this issue on v8.3.1 (Ubuntu 24.04.1 LTS)

@girish thank you for fixing this! When will this fix be rolled out?

@BrutalBirdie thanks for the quick fix! We applied it and it worked perfectly.

[joseph]

@sozialinfo patch will only be part of cloudron 9 (no ETA, but in coming month)

[tobiasb]

I would like to see this bugfix already in 8.3.x. Please <3.

[necrevistonnezr]

The patch described in https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/13361/after-ubuntu-22-24-upgrade-syslog-getting-spammed-and-grows-way-to-much-clogging-up-the-diskspace/11# Is not available anymore (Error 500)

[BrutalBirdie]

@necrevistonnezr That is because https://git.cloudron.io/ is currently throwing err 500.

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Has been resolved, is now all good again.

[tobiasb]

Fyi: The fix was not part of 8.3.2. Now we need patch it again.

[bscabl]

@BrutalBirdie this is great, solved the issue for me!

[SansGuidon]

FYI I got the same problem a few times in past weeks, I understand this will be solved in Cloudron 9, right? But if yes I'm a bit confused that we need to apply such a patch manually when this could be part of an update. Anyway truncating the syslog + applying the patch got me rid of 60GB of spam in log files.
I'm interested in how others are dealing with this.

[girish]

@SansGuidon the issue arises only with the logs of some specific apps it seems. Did you notice which app specifically is growing in log size? Or is it all the app logs? But you are right, this problem is solved only in Cloudron 9.

[jdaviescoates]

@girish I don't think I've hit this issue myself, but why not just push out an 8.3.3 with this fix?

[SansGuidon]

@girish said in After Ubuntu 22/24 Upgrade syslog getting spammed and grows way to much clogging up the diskspace:

@SansGuidon the issue arises only with the logs of some specific apps it seems. Did you notice which app specifically is growing in log size? Or is it all the app logs? But you are right, this problem is solved only in Cloudron 9.

Based on early investigation, some apps like Syncthing and Lamp, or even wallos, generate more logs than the rest. But this is just when looking at the data of past hours, and after applying the diff + logrotate tuning. I'll keep you posted if I find more interesting evidence. If someone has a script to quickly generate relevant stats, I'm interested.

[SansGuidon]

@jdaviescoates Yes, could help, as in current state, the syslog implementation generate errors in my logs, which could explain the logs growing in size. So I had to apply the diff to avoid this repeated pattern

2025-08-31T20:42:40.149390+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:40Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 1123 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 - IndexError: list index out of range
2025-08-31T20:42:40.240033+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:40Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 cd4a6fed-6fd7-4616-ba0d-d0c38972774b 1123 cd4a6fed-6fd7-4616-ba0d-d0c38972774b - 172.18.0.1 - - [31/Aug/2025:20:42:40 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 45257 "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
2025-08-31T20:42:41.676806+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:41Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 mongodb 1123 mongodb - {"t":{"$date":"2025-08-31T20:42:41.675+00:00"},"s":"D1", "c":"REPL",     "id":21223,   "ctx":"NoopWriter","msg":"Set last known op time","attr":{"lastKnownOpTime":{"ts":{"$timestamp":{"t":1756672961,"i":1}},"t":42}}}
2025-08-31T20:42:43.067695+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:43Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 mongodb 1123 mongodb - {"t":{"$date":"2025-08-31T20:42:43.066+00:00"},"s":"D1", "c":"NETWORK",  "id":4668132, "ctx":"ReplicaSetMonitor-TaskExecutor","msg":"ReplicaSetMonitor ping success","attr":{"host":"mongodb:27017","replicaSet":"rs0","durationMicros":606}}
2025-08-31T20:42:44.061046+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:44Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 1123 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 -     url = link.split(" : ")[0].split(" ")[1].strip("[]")
2025-08-31T20:42:44.061077+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:44Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 1123 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 -           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^
2025-08-31T20:42:44.061100+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:44Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 1123 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 - IndexError: list index out of range

[jdaviescoates]

@SansGuidon I'm using Syncthing. I've not hit this issue in that my disk space isn't running out - but perhaps that just because I've got quite a big disk and that I recently cleaned up a load of Nextcloud stuff to give me lots more space because my disk was running out!

Where do I look to check if this issue is indeed affecting me after all? Thanks

[SansGuidon]

From a deeper investigation, Syslog is exploding (GBs/day) because Cloudron’s backup job dumps full SQLite DBs (e.g. Kuma’s heartbeat table) to stdout, which gets swallowed by journald/rsyslog. One backup ran = ~500MB of SQL spam in syslog in my case. Four runs/day = 2GB+/day, at least. but it could be more depending on the setup. I just triggered a backup now and it grew by almost 2GB.

root@ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3:~# grep -nE "CREATE TABLE \[heartbeat\]|INSERT INTO heartbeat|BEGIN TRANSACTION" /var/log/syslog  | head -10
1152:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705303+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: BEGIN TRANSACTION;
1153:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705386+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: CREATE TABLE [heartbeat](#015
1162:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705789+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(1,1,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:26:53.602',566,0,0);
1163:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705828+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(2,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:27:54.295',167,60,0);
1164:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705864+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(3,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:28:54.506',247,60,0);
1165:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705930+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(4,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:29:54.801',441,60,0);
1166:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705973+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(5,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:30:55.259',200,60,0);
1167:2025-08-31T21:00:37.706010+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(6,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:31:55.486',162,60,0);
1168:2025-08-31T21:00:37.706033+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(7,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:32:55.691',161,60,0);
1169:2025-08-31T21:00:37.706057+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(8,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:33:55.899',129,60,0);

I'm interested to know if someone can validate this observation on another Cloudron instance ideally with an existing and long running Kuma instance:

Reproduction path

• Install Uptime Kuma on Cloudron
• Trigger a backup
• Watch /var/log/syslog: you’ll see CREATE TABLE heartbeat + endless INSERT lines

Root Cause
Backup script calls sqlite3 .dump → stdout → journald → rsyslog → syslog file. Logging pipelines aren’t designed for multi-hundred MB database dumps.

Impact

• /var/log/syslog bloats to multi-GB
• Disk space wasted, logrotate churn
• Actual logs are drowned in noise

Fix?

• Don’t stream .dump to stdout. Redirect to file, or use .backup. Silence the dump in logs?

[jdaviescoates]

@SansGuidon good sleuthing. I don't currently have an instance of Uptime Kuma running so can't assist but hopefully others can.

[nebulon]

That is some good investigation indeed. I tried to reproduce this, but given that Cloudron isn't using syslog as such at all, I am not sure how to reproduce this and what makes it log to syslog in your case. But maybe I am missing something obvious or have you somehow adjusted the docker configs around logging on that instance?

[SansGuidon]

I've no idea, my setup seems to use journald which could be a default and root cause of such issues

root@ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3:~# docker info | grep 'Logging Driver'
 Logging Driver: journald

am I alone with this setup? I've no memory about configuring this behavior for logging driver.

[jdaviescoates]

@SansGuidon said in After Ubuntu 22/24 Upgrade syslog getting spammed and grows way to much clogging up the diskspace:

I alone with this setup?

Nope. I see to have the same:

root@Ubuntu-2204-jammy-amd64-base ~ # docker info | grep 'Logging Driver'
 Logging Driver: journald

[nebulon]

Ah no that is correct. Sorry what I meant is, that Cloudron task or app related logs should not show up in default syslog as such, like when you would run journalctl -f However you should have a cloudron-syslog daemon running. Check with systemctl status cloudron-syslog

That one would dump corresponding logs into the correct places in /home/yellowtent/paltformdata/logs/...

So still I am curious how it ends up in /var/log/syslog and then why it would log db dump data there.

[SansGuidon]

Thanks for your feedback, @nebulon

I'm not sure why, but Cloudron created my app containers with Docker’s syslog log driver. Those containers write their stdout/stderr straight into the host’s rsyslog, which in turn writes to /var/log/syslog.
So when an app (Uptime Kuma in my case) runs a huge sqlite3 .dump during a Cloudron task/backup, that dump goes to stdout → syslog → /var/log/syslog, ballooning the file by GBs. This is not journald forwarding (it’s disabled). Cloudron’s own cloudron-syslog also logs per-app to /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/…, so right now there’s duplication.

I’m not looking for a local workaround; I’d like Cloudron to confirm the intent here and provide a platform fix.

Below, the findings and some questions/proposals to pursue

Dockerd default vs. container reality

systemctl show docker -p ExecStart
# ... --log-driver=journald ...

docker ps -a -q | xargs -r -I{} docker inspect {} \
  --format '{{.Name}} {{.HostConfig.LogConfig.Type}}' | sort -u
# ~80 containers → all: syslog

The daemon default is journald, but all existing containers are syslog (likely from when they were created).

Not journald → syslog; it’s Docker → rsyslog

grep -n 'ForwardToSyslog' /etc/systemd/journald.conf
# ForwardToSyslog=no

journald isn’t forwarding.

Rsyslog is writing everything to /var/log/syslog

grep -nH . /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf | sed -n '8,12p'
# *.*;auth,authpriv.none   -/var/log/syslog

Cloudron syslog collector is active (so we have duplicate paths)

systemctl status cloudron-syslog
# active (running)
ls /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/
# per-app log dirs + syslog.sock present

The big spill: SQL dump text in logs exactly at backup window

root@ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3:~# grep -nE 'BEGIN TRANSACTION|CREATE TABLE \[heartbeat\]|INSERT INTO heartbeat' /var/log/syslog | head -3
1152:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705303+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: BEGIN TRANSACTION;
1153:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705386+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: CREATE TABLE [heartbeat](#015
1162:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705789+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(1,1,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:26:53.602',566,0,0);

And Cloudron task timeline around the same minute:

root@ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3:~# grep -n '2025-08-31T21:0' /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/box.log | sed -n '1,40p'
9200:2025-08-31T21:00:00.014Z box:janitor Cleaning up expired tokens
9201:2025-08-31T21:00:00.016Z box:eventlog cleanup: pruning events. creationTime: Mon Jun 02 2025 21:00:00 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time)
9202:2025-08-31T21:00:00.054Z box:locks write: current locks: {"backup_task":null}
9203:2025-08-31T21:00:00.054Z box:locks acquire: backup_task
9204:2025-08-31T21:00:00.054Z box:janitor Cleaned up 0 expired tokens
9205:2025-08-31T21:00:00.166Z box:tasks startTask - starting task 7053 with options {"timeout":86400000,"nice":15,"memoryLimit":1024,"oomScoreAdjust":-999}. logs at /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/tasks/7053.log
9206:2025-08-31T21:00:00.168Z box:shell tasks /usr/bin/sudo -S -E /home/yellowtent/box/src/scripts/starttask.sh 7053 /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/tasks/7053.log 15 1024 -999
9207:2025-08-31T21:00:00.249Z box:shell Running as unit: box-task-7053.service; invocation ID: fa4cf334a41b43fc9e06d6612bf5a9c1
9209:2025-08-31T21:00:00.395Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9210:2025-08-31T21:00:10.288Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9211:2025-08-31T21:00:20.321Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9212:2025-08-31T21:00:30.367Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9213:2025-08-31T21:00:40.579Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9214:2025-08-31T21:00:50.457Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9215:2025-08-31T21:01:00.455Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9216:2025-08-31T21:01:10.350Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9217:2025-08-31T21:01:20.413Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9218:2025-08-31T21:01:30.407Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9219:2025-08-31T21:01:40.367Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9220:2025-08-31T21:01:50.352Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9221:2025-08-31T21:02:00.390Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9222:2025-08-31T21:02:10.709Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9223:2025-08-31T21:02:11.024Z box:shell system: swapon --noheadings --raw --bytes --show=type,size,used,name
9224:2025-08-31T21:02:20.338Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9225:2025-08-31T21:02:30.311Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9226:2025-08-31T21:02:40.300Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9227:2025-08-31T21:02:50.308Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9228:2025-08-31T21:03:00.406Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9229:2025-08-31T21:03:10.269Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9230:2025-08-31T21:03:20.363Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9231:2025-08-31T21:03:30.265Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9232:2025-08-31T21:03:40.281Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9233:2025-08-31T21:03:50.312Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9234:2025-08-31T21:04:00.321Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9235:2025-08-31T21:04:10.284Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9236:2025-08-31T21:04:20.357Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9237:2025-08-31T21:04:30.242Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9238:2025-08-31T21:04:30.281Z box:shell Finished with result: success
9245:2025-08-31T21:04:30.288Z box:shell Service box-task-7053 finished with exit code 0
9247:2025-08-31T21:04:30.289Z box:tasks startTask: 7053 completed with code 0

Questions / Suggestions

• Is syslog the intended log driver for app containers?
  Dockerd on my host now runs with --log-driver=journald, but all app containers remain on syslog unless re-created.
• Platform-level fix proposals (any/all):
  • Migrate app containers to journald on updates/repairs so they inherit the daemon default (no /var/log/syslog involvement).
  • Ensure task/backup helpers don’t emit large dumps to stdout (redirect to files/pipes consumed by cloudron-syslog, not rsyslog).
  • Ship an rsyslog drop-in that stops Docker-originated container stdout from landing in /var/log/syslog, since Cloudron already captures per-app logs under /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/.

This would prevent another GB-scale blow-up when an app emits a lot to stdout during backups or maintenance.

What do you think, @nebulon ?
Thanks in advance