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After Ubuntu 22/24 Upgrade syslog getting spammed and grows way to much clogging up the diskspace

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  • SansGuidonS SansGuidon

    @jdaviescoates Yes, could help, as in current state, the syslog implementation generate errors in my logs, which could explain the logs growing in size. So I had to apply the diff to avoid this repeated pattern

    2025-08-31T20:42:40.149390+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:40Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 1123 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 - IndexError: list index out of range
2025-08-31T20:42:40.240033+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:40Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 cd4a6fed-6fd7-4616-ba0d-d0c38972774b 1123 cd4a6fed-6fd7-4616-ba0d-d0c38972774b - 172.18.0.1 - - [31/Aug/2025:20:42:40 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 45257 "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
2025-08-31T20:42:41.676806+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:41Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 mongodb 1123 mongodb - {"t":{"$date":"2025-08-31T20:42:41.675+00:00"},"s":"D1", "c":"REPL",     "id":21223,   "ctx":"NoopWriter","msg":"Set last known op time","attr":{"lastKnownOpTime":{"ts":{"$timestamp":{"t":1756672961,"i":1}},"t":42}}}
2025-08-31T20:42:43.067695+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:43Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 mongodb 1123 mongodb - {"t":{"$date":"2025-08-31T20:42:43.066+00:00"},"s":"D1", "c":"NETWORK",  "id":4668132, "ctx":"ReplicaSetMonitor-TaskExecutor","msg":"ReplicaSetMonitor ping success","attr":{"host":"mongodb:27017","replicaSet":"rs0","durationMicros":606}}
2025-08-31T20:42:44.061046+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:44Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 1123 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 -     url = link.split(" : ")[0].split(" ")[1].strip("[]")
2025-08-31T20:42:44.061077+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:44Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 1123 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 -           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^
2025-08-31T20:42:44.061100+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 syslog.js[970341]: <30>1 2025-08-31T20:42:44Z ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 1123 b5b418fc-0f16-4cde-81a1-1213880c9a10 - IndexError: list index out of range
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    wrote last edited by
    #21

    @SansGuidon I'm using Syncthing. I've not hit this issue in that my disk space isn't running out - but perhaps that just because I've got quite a big disk and that I recently cleaned up a load of Nextcloud stuff to give me lots more space because my disk was running out!

    Where do I look to check if this issue is indeed affecting me after all? Thanks

    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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      #22

      From a deeper investigation, Syslog is exploding (GBs/day) because Cloudron’s backup job dumps full SQLite DBs (e.g. Kuma’s heartbeat table) to stdout, which gets swallowed by journald/rsyslog. One backup ran = ~500MB of SQL spam in syslog in my case. Four runs/day = 2GB+/day, at least. but it could be more depending on the setup. I just triggered a backup now and it grew by almost 2GB.

      root@ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3:~# grep -nE "CREATE TABLE \[heartbeat\]|INSERT INTO heartbeat|BEGIN TRANSACTION" /var/log/syslog  | head -10
1152:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705303+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: BEGIN TRANSACTION;
1153:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705386+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: CREATE TABLE [heartbeat](#015
1162:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705789+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(1,1,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:26:53.602',566,0,0);
1163:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705828+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(2,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:27:54.295',167,60,0);
1164:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705864+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(3,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:28:54.506',247,60,0);
1165:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705930+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(4,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:29:54.801',441,60,0);
1166:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705973+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(5,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:30:55.259',200,60,0);
1167:2025-08-31T21:00:37.706010+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(6,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:31:55.486',162,60,0);
1168:2025-08-31T21:00:37.706033+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(7,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:32:55.691',161,60,0);
1169:2025-08-31T21:00:37.706057+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(8,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:33:55.899',129,60,0);

      I'm interested to know if someone can validate this observation on another Cloudron instance ideally with an existing and long running Kuma instance:

      Reproduction path

      • Install Uptime Kuma on Cloudron
      • Trigger a backup
      • Watch /var/log/syslog: you’ll see CREATE TABLE heartbeat + endless INSERT lines

      Root Cause
      Backup script calls sqlite3 .dump → stdout → journald → rsyslog → syslog file. Logging pipelines aren’t designed for multi-hundred MB database dumps.

      Impact

      • /var/log/syslog bloats to multi-GB
      • Disk space wasted, logrotate churn
      • Actual logs are drowned in noise

      Fix?

      • Don’t stream .dump to stdout. Redirect to file, or use .backup. Silence the dump in logs?

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      • SansGuidonS SansGuidon

        From a deeper investigation, Syslog is exploding (GBs/day) because Cloudron’s backup job dumps full SQLite DBs (e.g. Kuma’s heartbeat table) to stdout, which gets swallowed by journald/rsyslog. One backup ran = ~500MB of SQL spam in syslog in my case. Four runs/day = 2GB+/day, at least. but it could be more depending on the setup. I just triggered a backup now and it grew by almost 2GB.

        root@ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3:~# grep -nE "CREATE TABLE \[heartbeat\]|INSERT INTO heartbeat|BEGIN TRANSACTION" /var/log/syslog  | head -10
1152:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705303+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: BEGIN TRANSACTION;
1153:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705386+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: CREATE TABLE [heartbeat](#015
1162:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705789+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(1,1,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:26:53.602',566,0,0);
1163:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705828+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(2,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:27:54.295',167,60,0);
1164:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705864+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(3,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:28:54.506',247,60,0);
1165:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705930+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(4,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:29:54.801',441,60,0);
1166:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705973+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(5,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:30:55.259',200,60,0);
1167:2025-08-31T21:00:37.706010+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(6,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:31:55.486',162,60,0);
1168:2025-08-31T21:00:37.706033+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(7,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:32:55.691',161,60,0);
1169:2025-08-31T21:00:37.706057+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(8,0,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:33:55.899',129,60,0);

        I'm interested to know if someone can validate this observation on another Cloudron instance ideally with an existing and long running Kuma instance:

        Reproduction path

        • Install Uptime Kuma on Cloudron
        • Trigger a backup
        • Watch /var/log/syslog: you’ll see CREATE TABLE heartbeat + endless INSERT lines

        Root Cause
        Backup script calls sqlite3 .dump → stdout → journald → rsyslog → syslog file. Logging pipelines aren’t designed for multi-hundred MB database dumps.

        Impact

        • /var/log/syslog bloats to multi-GB
        • Disk space wasted, logrotate churn
        • Actual logs are drowned in noise

        Fix?

        • Don’t stream .dump to stdout. Redirect to file, or use .backup. Silence the dump in logs?
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        wrote last edited by
        #23

        @SansGuidon good sleuthing. I don't currently have an instance of Uptime Kuma running so can't assist but hopefully others can.

        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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          #24

          That is some good investigation indeed. I tried to reproduce this, but given that Cloudron isn't using syslog as such at all, I am not sure how to reproduce this and what makes it log to syslog in your case. But maybe I am missing something obvious or have you somehow adjusted the docker configs around logging on that instance?

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            wrote last edited by SansGuidon
            #25

            I've no idea, my setup seems to use journald which could be a default and root cause of such issues

            root@ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3:~# docker info | grep 'Logging Driver'
 Logging Driver: journald

            am I alone with this setup? I've no memory about configuring this behavior for logging driver.

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            • SansGuidonS SansGuidon

              I've no idea, my setup seems to use journald which could be a default and root cause of such issues

              root@ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3:~# docker info | grep 'Logging Driver'
 Logging Driver: journald

              am I alone with this setup? I've no memory about configuring this behavior for logging driver.

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              @SansGuidon said in After Ubuntu 22/24 Upgrade syslog getting spammed and grows way to much clogging up the diskspace:

              I alone with this setup?

              Nope. I see to have the same:

              root@Ubuntu-2204-jammy-amd64-base ~ # docker info | grep 'Logging Driver'
 Logging Driver: journald

              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                #27

                Ah no that is correct. Sorry what I meant is, that Cloudron task or app related logs should not show up in default syslog as such, like when you would run journalctl -f However you should have a cloudron-syslog daemon running. Check with systemctl status cloudron-syslog

                That one would dump corresponding logs into the correct places in /home/yellowtent/paltformdata/logs/...

                So still I am curious how it ends up in /var/log/syslog and then why it would log db dump data there.

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                  wrote last edited by SansGuidon
                  #28

                  Thanks for your feedback, @nebulon

                  I'm not sure why, but Cloudron created my app containers with Docker’s syslog log driver. Those containers write their stdout/stderr straight into the host’s rsyslog, which in turn writes to /var/log/syslog.
                  So when an app (Uptime Kuma in my case) runs a huge sqlite3 .dump during a Cloudron task/backup, that dump goes to stdout → syslog → /var/log/syslog, ballooning the file by GBs. This is not journald forwarding (it’s disabled). Cloudron’s own cloudron-syslog also logs per-app to /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/…, so right now there’s duplication.

                  I’m not looking for a local workaround; I’d like Cloudron to confirm the intent here and provide a platform fix.

                  Below, the findings and some questions/proposals to pursue

                  Dockerd default vs. container reality

                  systemctl show docker -p ExecStart
# ... --log-driver=journald ...

                  docker ps -a -q | xargs -r -I{} docker inspect {} \
  --format '{{.Name}} {{.HostConfig.LogConfig.Type}}' | sort -u
# ~80 containers → all: syslog

                  ➡ The daemon default is journald, but all existing containers are syslog (likely from when they were created).

                  Not journald → syslog; it’s Docker → rsyslog

                  grep -n 'ForwardToSyslog' /etc/systemd/journald.conf
# ForwardToSyslog=no

                  ➡ journald isn’t forwarding.

                  Rsyslog is writing everything to /var/log/syslog

                  grep -nH . /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf | sed -n '8,12p'
# *.*;auth,authpriv.none   -/var/log/syslog

                  Cloudron syslog collector is active (so we have duplicate paths)

                  systemctl status cloudron-syslog
# active (running)
ls /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/
# per-app log dirs + syslog.sock present

                  The big spill: SQL dump text in logs exactly at backup window

                  root@ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3:~# grep -nE 'BEGIN TRANSACTION|CREATE TABLE \[heartbeat\]|INSERT INTO heartbeat' /var/log/syslog | head -3
1152:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705303+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: BEGIN TRANSACTION;
1153:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705386+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: CREATE TABLE [heartbeat](#015
1162:2025-08-31T21:00:37.705789+00:00 ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3 d6750120460b[1123]: INSERT INTO heartbeat VALUES(1,1,1,1,'200 - OK','2025-03-27 23:26:53.602',566,0,0);

                  ➡ And Cloudron task timeline around the same minute:

                  root@ubuntu-cloudron-16gb-nbg1-3:~# grep -n '2025-08-31T21:0' /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/box.log | sed -n '1,40p'
9200:2025-08-31T21:00:00.014Z box:janitor Cleaning up expired tokens
9201:2025-08-31T21:00:00.016Z box:eventlog cleanup: pruning events. creationTime: Mon Jun 02 2025 21:00:00 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time)
9202:2025-08-31T21:00:00.054Z box:locks write: current locks: {"backup_task":null}
9203:2025-08-31T21:00:00.054Z box:locks acquire: backup_task
9204:2025-08-31T21:00:00.054Z box:janitor Cleaned up 0 expired tokens
9205:2025-08-31T21:00:00.166Z box:tasks startTask - starting task 7053 with options {"timeout":86400000,"nice":15,"memoryLimit":1024,"oomScoreAdjust":-999}. logs at /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/tasks/7053.log
9206:2025-08-31T21:00:00.168Z box:shell tasks /usr/bin/sudo -S -E /home/yellowtent/box/src/scripts/starttask.sh 7053 /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/tasks/7053.log 15 1024 -999
9207:2025-08-31T21:00:00.249Z box:shell Running as unit: box-task-7053.service; invocation ID: fa4cf334a41b43fc9e06d6612bf5a9c1
9209:2025-08-31T21:00:00.395Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9210:2025-08-31T21:00:10.288Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9211:2025-08-31T21:00:20.321Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9212:2025-08-31T21:00:30.367Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9213:2025-08-31T21:00:40.579Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9214:2025-08-31T21:00:50.457Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9215:2025-08-31T21:01:00.455Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9216:2025-08-31T21:01:10.350Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9217:2025-08-31T21:01:20.413Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9218:2025-08-31T21:01:30.407Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9219:2025-08-31T21:01:40.367Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9220:2025-08-31T21:01:50.352Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9221:2025-08-31T21:02:00.390Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9222:2025-08-31T21:02:10.709Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9223:2025-08-31T21:02:11.024Z box:shell system: swapon --noheadings --raw --bytes --show=type,size,used,name
9224:2025-08-31T21:02:20.338Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9225:2025-08-31T21:02:30.311Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9226:2025-08-31T21:02:40.300Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9227:2025-08-31T21:02:50.308Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9228:2025-08-31T21:03:00.406Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9229:2025-08-31T21:03:10.269Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9230:2025-08-31T21:03:20.363Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9231:2025-08-31T21:03:30.265Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9232:2025-08-31T21:03:40.281Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9233:2025-08-31T21:03:50.312Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9234:2025-08-31T21:04:00.321Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9235:2025-08-31T21:04:10.284Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9236:2025-08-31T21:04:20.357Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9237:2025-08-31T21:04:30.242Z box:apphealthmonitor app health: 31 running / 0 stopped / 0 unresponsive
9238:2025-08-31T21:04:30.281Z box:shell Finished with result: success
9245:2025-08-31T21:04:30.288Z box:shell Service box-task-7053 finished with exit code 0
9247:2025-08-31T21:04:30.289Z box:tasks startTask: 7053 completed with code 0

                  Questions / Suggestions

                  • Is syslog the intended log driver for app containers?
                    Dockerd on my host now runs with --log-driver=journald, but all app containers remain on syslog unless re-created.
                  • Platform-level fix proposals (any/all):
                    • Migrate app containers to journald on updates/repairs so they inherit the daemon default (no /var/log/syslog involvement).
                    • Ensure task/backup helpers don’t emit large dumps to stdout (redirect to files/pipes consumed by cloudron-syslog, not rsyslog).
                    • Ship an rsyslog drop-in that stops Docker-originated container stdout from landing in /var/log/syslog, since Cloudron already captures per-app logs under /home/yellowtent/platformdata/logs/.

                  ➡ This would prevent another GB-scale blow-up when an app emits a lot to stdout during backups or maintenance.

                  What do you think, @nebulon ?
                  Thanks in advance 🙏

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