Who else is hosting their Cloudron server on Hetzner Cloud? How best to do backups on Hetzner?
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@timmeh great, thanks! If it weren't for the 12 months billing I'd probably sign-up straight away to try them out (hourly billing is one of the things I like about Hetzner)... seems like they could be perfect!
Have you used them/ do you use them? Or perhaps even work for them?
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@jdaviescoates I use them for my own Cloudron instance! Works like a charm, they even have 18.04 with preinstalled Cloudron images so it was zero effort for setup
I run my backups somewhere else though, so not sure about those.@timmeh where do you run your backups?
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@timmeh where do you run your backups?
@jdaviescoates My backups go via Scaleway. Was easy to setup because there was a Cloudron preset and guide for it, and it's free up to 75GBs
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@nebulon gah, I was just about to go ahead and use a Volume instead! But thanks anyway
I think I will go ahead and try using their Volumes anyway as pricing isn't that different and it's all done within their cloud console so keeps everything in one place and easy to manage.
Volumes are in effect external SSD hard drives and live on different physical infrastructure and are triple replicated so all in all seems like a good option... one thing I'm unsure about though is how much space I'll actually need for my Cloudron backs given they only back-up database and app user data?
Was about to post a new thread in support asking this when I saw the notification about your post...
@jdaviescoates said in Who else is hosting their Cloudron server on Hetzner Cloud? How best to do backups on Hetzner?:
use a Volume instead!
it's often the option I choose
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https://wasabi.com & https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage.html are both decent S3 compatible options for relatively cheap provider redundancy.
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Since B2 recently added S3 compat, we will add it at some point - https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/508 . I did test this out a month ago and it was very slow, so I will give them sometime to ramp up. At this point, if you want to test, you can always use the "S3 compatible" as the option in the provider field in Cloudron Backups view.
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Since B2 recently added S3 compat, we will add it at some point - https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/508 . I did test this out a month ago and it was very slow, so I will give them sometime to ramp up. At this point, if you want to test, you can always use the "S3 compatible" as the option in the provider field in Cloudron Backups view.
@girish Thanks, just tested both tarball and rsync options with B2 and both worked fine.
For interest: Tarball was fast. Rsync completed but I triggered before going to zzz, so no idea.
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Warning for Backblaze region selection! Especially if EU GDPR laws or just US privacy is a concern.
If (like me) you have an account that's been open since before they added the EU-Central (Amsterdam) region - there's no way to set any other region than the one you selected (defaulted) when creating your account.
The only way to have a different region with Backblaze is with separate accounts.
Wasabi is my other alternative and costs less if you have a lot of ingress or are in the hundreds of Gigabytes bracket, and want region-selection in one account, but Backblaze is the cheapest and trusted option I know up to say half a terabyte.
No harm in having an account with both though if you like having options. I like to keep backup object storage away from the main host, although if you were backing up hourly or something else bandwidth heavy then same provider attached storage is pretty safe and usually held in triplicate across hardware.
