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      seeker @yusf last edited by

      @yusf Agreed. Fingers crossed it come through

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        necrevistonnezr last edited by

        FYI: Notion just removed the block limits in the free plan: https://www.notion.so/pricing

        Free for individuals
        Unlimited pages & blocks
        Share with 5 guests
        Sync across devices

        File uploads still limited to 5 MB.

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        • girish
          girish Staff last edited by girish

          https://github.com/outline/outline looks great but from the issue tracker it seems that author will not merge features like LDAP as they don't make sense for his SaaS.

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            jdaviescoates @girish last edited by

            @girish said in Notion-like FOSS app:

            https://github.com/outline/outline looks great but from the issue tracker it seems that author will not merge features like LDAP as they don't make sense for his SaaS.

            Although on their pricing page they do advertise SSO as an Enterprise option

            Screenshot_20200520-220736.png

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            • girish
              girish Staff last edited by

              I was commenting based on https://github.com/outline/outline/pull/939

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              • marcusquinn
                marcusquinn last edited by

                Would you consider CodiMD covers the main usage and needs that you get from Notion perhaps?

                https://cloudron.io/store/io.hackmd.cloudronapp.html

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                  marcusquinn last edited by

                  And for an AirTable alternative I'm a big fan of what Directus makes easier:

                  https://directus.io

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                    jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                    @marcuswquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                    Would you consider CodiMD covers the main usage and needs that you get from Notion perhaps?
                    https://cloudron.io/store/io.hackmd.cloudronapp.html

                    No. It's not even remotely comparable.

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                      marcusquinn @jdaviescoates last edited by

                      @jdaviescoates Fair enough. I'm with you on keeping data on a platform you control though.

                      Outline looks cool, so 🤞 that LDAP pull request gets merged.

                      Certainly interested in what else comes from this thread.

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                        marcusquinn @marcusquinn last edited by

                        Since I can't resist a FOSS Alternative search, this looks interesting if you're into AirTable:

                        LeanTime looks similar at first glance: https://leantime.io

                        More info in the Docs: https://docs.leantime.io

                        Not tried it and I've no idea on your usage and needs so just adding for the record really.

                        Personally I like Directus for being both standardised, openness and portable data.

                        If I were in the market for AirTable it would be difficult to choose it against Odoo but then if you want coddles you'd need an enterprise subscription for Odoo Studio: https://www.odoo.com/page/studio

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                        • marcusquinn
                          marcusquinn last edited by

                          A couple more that look worth watching at least:

                          https://wiki.js.org (already on Cloudron)

                          https://anytype.io
                          https://github.com/anytypeio
                          https://twitter.com/AnytypeLabs

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                            marcusquinn last edited by

                            Twake looks interesting: https://twake.app

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                            • rmdes
                              rmdes last edited by rmdes

                              Baserow : This under development project seems to be in the "alternative to airtable" category : https://baserow.io/ https://gitlab.com/bramw/baserow

                              Notion :
                              I have a friend that moved his entire wordpress.org blog (15 years of posts) to guess what ?
                              notion !

                              He's definitely part of the no-code approach and bootstrap lots of different journalist/media projects with no-code approaches.

                              I wish I could convince him to use something else and instead have an entire cloudron powering his infrastructure, but without a serious FOSS alternative to notion I won't get him on our boat 😕

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                                yusf @rmdes last edited by

                                @rmdes Exactly. There’s no arguing against such superior product. 😨

                                If only there was a way to make sure FOSS devs got paid for their work…

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                                  marcusquinn @yusf last edited by

                                  @yusf I think GitHub Sponsoring is making better inroads for that. Be good if GitLab followed that too.

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                                    jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                                    @marcusquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                    https://anytype.io
                                    https://github.com/anytypeio
                                    https://twitter.com/AnytypeLabs

                                    Yeah @seeker mentioned Anytype.io higher up the thread, looks like it'sthe closest thing to an open source Notion.

                                    Fill in this form to help them prioritise (and likely get you up the wait list too):

                                    https://anytype.typeform.com/to/bRQZWx

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                                      jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                                      @marcusquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                      Be good if GitLab followed that too.

                                      Yeah, although nothing stopping anyone setting up OpenCollective and Liberapay accounts and adding the info to their README in GitLab 🙂

                                      Both are open source too. Open Collective isn't really designed/ ready to self-host yet but you can support those efforts here https://opencollective.com/community and upvote here:

                                      https://forum.cloudron.io/post/5408

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                                        jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                                        @marcusquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                        Twake looks interesting: https://twake.app

                                        It's nothing like Notion imho, but does indeed look pretty nice!

                                        Upvote here:
                                        https://forum.cloudron.io/post/10591

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                                          jdaviescoates @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                          @jdaviescoates said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                          Yeah @seeker mentioned Anytype.io higher up the thread, looks like it'sthe closest thing to an open source Notion.

                                          I attended an intro webinar thing about anytype.io the other day.

                                          It's pretty cool, but they have no plans for a web app.

                                          It's all based on IPFS

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                                          • yusf
                                            yusf @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                            @jdaviescoates Interesting. What's the front-end stack like?

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                                              jdaviescoates @yusf last edited by

                                              @yusf as in what is it coded in? I'm not sure actually. If they covered that it was during the part I missed!

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                                                yusf @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                @jdaviescoates If they have no plans for a web app I really wonder what stack they're using and possible subsequent lockins.

                                                But regardless I'm also interested in what they did have to say about their project.

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                                                  seeker @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                  @jdaviescoates Thanks! I am curious how did you find out about the information session?

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                                                    jdaviescoates @seeker last edited by

                                                    @seeker I filled in this form:
                                                    anytype.typeform.com/to/bRQZWx

                                                    You can also join their Telegram group if that's your thing:
                                                    t.me/anytype

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                                                      soup last edited by

                                                      If there's still interest around this question, the most promising option right now is Athens, which aims to be an alternative to Roam and Notion (and is getting close to feature-parity).

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                                                        marcusquinn @soup last edited by

                                                        @soup Nice spot! Trial by downloaded Electron version is handy too. Looks like it deserves it's own App Wishlist post if you'd like the finder's honours?

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                                                          jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                                                          @marcusquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                          Looks like it deserves it's own App Wishlist post if you'd like the finder's honours?

                                                          I only had a very quick look but it looks like Athens is like Anytype in that it's not actually a server thing at all, no? i.e. I think it's just a desktop app, not a web app, no?

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                                                            soup @marcusquinn last edited by soup

                                                            @marcusquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                            Looks like it deserves it's own App Wishlist post if you'd like the finder's honours?

                                                            Yep, can do the post :).

                                                            @marcusquinn @girish
                                                            Can I do one post for Athens and one for Logseq? Both are doing the same thing, the difference being that (i) Athens goes with a custom format for storing files, while Logseq works with text files (both markdown and org mode) [edit: Athens also aims to store information in text files in the future] and (ii) can sync via Github (+Gitlab, WebDAV, etc. in the future). Logseq's founder did state that it's designed to be self-hostable, but hasn't released the backend code yet (need to ensure security first), so maybe I should wait before doing that post?

                                                            By the way, the founders of both apps are very reactive: might be interesting to drop them a line on Github or Twitter as they might be willing to provide support with the packaging.


                                                            @jdaviescoates said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                            I only had a very quick look but it looks like Athens is like Anytype in that it's not actually a server thing at all, no? i.e. I think it's just a desktop app, not a web app, no?

                                                            I agree that it is a bit unclear, I'm going off of the fact that the option to self-host features quite heavily in Athens' communication and approach to monetisation, and the founder did discuss hosting on Sandstorm here (though it did prove problematic), but I might have misunderstood.

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                                                              jdaviescoates @soup last edited by

                                                              @soup said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                              Can I do one post for Athens and one for Logseq?

                                                              Go for it! You don't need permission 🙂

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                                                                soup last edited by soup

                                                                The Athens post: https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4717/athens-open-source-and-local-first-alternative-to-roam-research-also-like-notion-obsidian?_=1616151737160

                                                                The Logseq post: https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4718/logseq-privacy-first-open-source-knowledge-sharing-and-management-platform-like-notion-roam-obsidian

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                                                                  infogulch last edited by infogulch

                                                                  Athens is pretty cool, but it doesn't have an api or any kind of server side component. I tried to package it for cloudron a couple weeks ago ( https://source.infogulch.com/infogulch/athens-app ) before I discovered this. logseq is in the same boat.

                                                                  See this discussion for input from a contributor: https://github.com/athensresearch/athens/discussions/737

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                                                                    ctrl @infogulch last edited by ctrl

                                                                    @infogulch Never had my hands on Trilium Notes. But judging from the screenshots doesn't it offer concepts used in these kind of roaming tools like the Zettelkasten Methode which was heavily used by Niklas Luhmann et al.? Btw. Anytype is on my personal watchlist, too.

                                                                    @yusf I tried out Notion last year but only for a day or so and abandoned it quickly because of data protection and privacy concerns. My first impression was that it had a very specific characteristic in its appereance and handling. What I really liked about it was that it felt quite calm on the surface hiding and simplificating the complexity of its possibilities. In a way it reminded me of Things.app on macOS.
                                                                    Yesterday I found Focalboard by Mattermost. I don't know if it fills the gap but at least it promotes itself as an open source, self-hosted alternative to Trello, Notion, and Asana. @thetomester13 created an app request already. ^^

                                                                    I am also on a long lasting journey on the search for the appropriate toolset that fits my way of thinking. Currently I use multiple tools. Most of the time I start out with a mindmap. Although it is not perfect Mindnode does quite a good job in the fields of mindmapping in regards of UX. It lets me quickly visualize my thoughts and doesn't get into the way too much in that process which helps me to slip into some kind of a flow state. Sometimes I wish we had neural interfaces to project all of these interconnected thought that seem to pop of the ground like mushrooms while surfing through an idea.

                                                                    The problem with a mindmap is that it is neither interactive after it has been created nor can it be connected or extended by ongoing research in a comfortable/elegant way. Maybe the roaming tools mentioned by @soup could fill that gap. I'll get my hands on these asap. What do you think about Trilium? Does it fit in that kind of category?

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                                                                    • yusf
                                                                      yusf last edited by

                                                                      Check this out:

                                                                      Notea

                                                                      Self hosted note taking app stored on S3. Notea is a privacy-first, open-source note-taking application. It supports Markdown syntax, sharing, responsive and more.

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                                                                        infogulch @yusf last edited by

                                                                        @yusf Nice find! That looks ready to package up today.

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                                                                          jdaviescoates @jdaviescoates last edited by jdaviescoates

                                                                          @jdaviescoates said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                          I only had a very quick look but it looks like Athens is like Anytype in that it's not actually a server thing at all, no? i.e. I think it's just a desktop app, not a web app, no?

                                                                          @infogulch said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                          Athens is pretty cool, but it doesn't have an api or any kind of server side component. I tried to package it for cloudron a couple weeks ago ( https://source.infogulch.com/infogulch/athens-app ) before I discovered this. logseq is in the same boat.

                                                                          It's now clear that you can also self-host Athens on a server. The Github repo says "You can use Athens as a local desktop app that saves data to your filesystem or with a self-hosted server."

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                                                                            yusf last edited by

                                                                            Explicit Notion clone: AppFlowy (AGPL)

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                                                                              jdaviescoates @yusf last edited by

                                                                              @yusf said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                              Explicit Notion clone: AppFlowy (AGPL)

                                                                              Upvote here:

                                                                              https://forum.cloudron.io/post/39873

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                                                                                LoudLemur @yusf last edited by

                                                                                @yusf I had only a quick look at notion, but it seems like it helps co-ordinate various functions in a way similar to Odoo (or Flectra, a fork of Odoo), both of which have been requested in the App Wishlist. Flectra was created with the goal of being as Free as possible.

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                                                                                  marcusquinn @LoudLemur last edited by

                                                                                  @loudlemur Tried both,, was disappointed that all the good stuff is kept out of the free version and reserved for the cloud hosted version. I suggest EspoCRM is a better faster, easier framework to work with anyway if you're after that sort of thing.

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                                                                                    LoudLemur @marcusquinn last edited by

                                                                                    @marcusquinn Thanks, I hadn't heard of EspoCRM:
                                                                                    https://www.espocrm.com/

                                                                                    I think there is a load of great functionality in Odoo Community Edition.

                                                                                    https://flectrahq.com/compare-editions-flectra-vs-odoo?category=--all--&feature=--all--&odoo-ce=--all--&odoo-ee=Y&fle-ce=--all--&fle-pe=--all--

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                                                                                      marcusquinn @LoudLemur last edited by

                                                                                      @loudlemur There is, but you will have to learn Python to do any useful customisations. The Odoo Studio, which is the most useful thing, is only available on the Cloud edition. There's so much missing from Flectra, I don't know why anyone would.

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                                                                                        yusf last edited by

                                                                                        I just got into the Anytype alpha program. The hype is true. 😳 No selfhosting involved however (relies on IPFS).

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                                                                                          marcusquinn @yusf last edited by

                                                                                          @yusf 🆒 IPFS is the future!

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