Notion-like FOSS app
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Athens is pretty cool, but it doesn't have an api or any kind of server side component. I tried to package it for cloudron a couple weeks ago ( https://source.infogulch.com/infogulch/athens-app ) before I discovered this. logseq is in the same boat.
See this discussion for input from a contributor: https://github.com/athensresearch/athens/discussions/737
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@infogulch Never had my hands on Trilium Notes. But judging from the screenshots doesn't it offer concepts used in these kind of roaming tools like the Zettelkasten Methode which was heavily used by Niklas Luhmann et al.? Btw. Anytype is on my personal watchlist, too.
@yusf I tried out Notion last year but only for a day or so and abandoned it quickly because of data protection and privacy concerns. My first impression was that it had a very specific characteristic in its appereance and handling. What I really liked about it was that it felt quite calm on the surface hiding and simplificating the complexity of its possibilities. In a way it reminded me of Things.app on macOS.
Yesterday I found Focalboard by Mattermost. I don't know if it fills the gap but at least it promotes itself as an open source, self-hosted alternative to Trello, Notion, and Asana. @thetomester13 created an app request already. ^^I am also on a long lasting journey on the search for the appropriate toolset that fits my way of thinking. Currently I use multiple tools. Most of the time I start out with a mindmap. Although it is not perfect Mindnode does quite a good job in the fields of mindmapping in regards of UX. It lets me quickly visualize my thoughts and doesn't get into the way too much in that process which helps me to slip into some kind of a flow state. Sometimes I wish we had neural interfaces to project all of these interconnected thought that seem to pop of the ground like mushrooms while surfing through an idea.
The problem with a mindmap is that it is neither interactive after it has been created nor can it be connected or extended by ongoing research in a comfortable/elegant way. Maybe the roaming tools mentioned by @soup could fill that gap. I'll get my hands on these asap. What do you think about Trilium? Does it fit in that kind of category?
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@jdaviescoates said in Notion-like FOSS app:
I only had a very quick look but it looks like Athens is like Anytype in that it's not actually a server thing at all, no? i.e. I think it's just a desktop app, not a web app, no?
@infogulch said in Notion-like FOSS app:
Athens is pretty cool, but it doesn't have an api or any kind of server side component. I tried to package it for cloudron a couple weeks ago ( https://source.infogulch.com/infogulch/athens-app ) before I discovered this. logseq is in the same boat.
It's now clear that you can also self-host Athens on a server. The Github repo says "You can use Athens as a local desktop app that saves data to your filesystem or with a self-hosted server."
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@yusf I had only a quick look at notion, but it seems like it helps co-ordinate various functions in a way similar to Odoo (or Flectra, a fork of Odoo), both of which have been requested in the App Wishlist. Flectra was created with the goal of being as Free as possible.
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@loudlemur Tried both,, was disappointed that all the good stuff is kept out of the free version and reserved for the cloud hosted version. I suggest EspoCRM is a better faster, easier framework to work with anyway if you're after that sort of thing.
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@marcusquinn Thanks, I hadn't heard of EspoCRM:
https://www.espocrm.com/I think there is a load of great functionality in Odoo Community Edition.
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@loudlemur There is, but you will have to learn Python to do any useful customisations. The Odoo Studio, which is the most useful thing, is only available on the Cloud edition. There's so much missing from Flectra, I don't know why anyone would.
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@yusf said in Notion-like FOSS app:
I just got into the Anytype alpha program. The hype is true. No selfhosting involved however (relies on IPFS).
Is it possible to collaborate on pages?
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@jdaviescoates Not yet, unfortunately.
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@yusf I am not familiar with the joy of Notion yet, but how about this:
Logseq
https://logseq.com/It is available now AGPL, so must have passed its scheduled security audit.
There is a Docker.https://github.com/logseq/logseq
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Thanks @LoudLemur . https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4718/logseq-privacy-first-open-source-knowledge-sharing-and-management-platform-like-notion-roam-obsidian is the app request thread for those interested.
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Reading all discussions here about Notion, which the OP is more than 3 years old, and as usual sometimes we tend to forget that time goes fast, but technology development goes even faster!
One thing must be understood about Notion is that, from the OP time there really was absolutely nothing like it and not even to compare to. Period. The only way to know that, is by having a somewhat deep dive into it as a trial. For at least a couple of hours, with a free account and start exploring Notion Templates. You'll be on your ...
Now, the 'mistake' we all often do is "judging a book by its cover", and so we often tend also to judge of the capacity of an app by the screenshots we're presented with. I do that too, and my first impression of Notion was not 'impressive'
Until you put your hands on it, once. What's unique (verily) about Notion is HOW things are implemented for you to do things. Without needing to connect several apps together in the first place, to achieve (at first glance) what could be achieved with all the apps in Cloudron as it has been suggested.
So, the reality is that, what was under the cover here that cannot be compared, is not WHAT you can achieve by using either Cloudron Apps or Notion. The reality that cannot be compared is HOW the workflow will be proceeded to achieve your goal, using one or another.
Of course, that never excludes that both can be used to achieve one's objectives. And, as usual and with the wave around here, a real FOSS ALTERNATIVE TO NOTION is what would be interesting to add to the Cloudron apps stack. Nothing less.
It seems like we're getting very close to it, for Notion lovers. And as close as can be, that would be AppFlowy right now. It's been mentioned here (and forgotten), but that was a couple of years ago.
As explained here on their blog, AppFlowy can now be self-hosted on Supabase (an open source alternative to Firebase) and anyone is free to try it out with a free Supabase account. NOW, what's very exciting, is that Supabase can also be self-hosted using ... ... Docker!
IMHO, AnyType is also great. However, I think it's an app much apart. I'm not saying this as a negative way. In the contrary, IPFS is amazing only one must be conscious that IPFS is what's in the back end of this app, which makes it an app in its own class. Nevertheless, the app is absolutely GREAT. One must try it as well.
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Just to add to what @micmc just said:
Appflowy wishlist post here:
https://forum.cloudron.io/post/39873Supabase wishlist post here:
https://forum.cloudron.io/post/18862
No selfhosting involved however (relies on IPFS).
IPFS is the future!
