Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end

[doodlemania2]

So, good news, I've got this working in the Cloudron Base image (I think?) using the signaling test client. My next step will be to wrap things up and start testing against live NextClouds. Currently, I'm thinking I'll disable ALL security since it will only be reachable by a local, on box Nextcloud. Open to suggestions on that.

[mario]

@doodlemania2 hm what do you mean by that? High performance backend needs to be accessible externally as the clients communicate with it via websocket.

[doodlemania2]

Yeah, sorry, I meant that signaling would be externally accessible, but it appears nats and janus do not as signaling just calls them. Does that sound about right or am I WAY off?

[doodlemania2]

Continuing to play with this. I think it's working, but I think more than just the signaling app needs access to the internet. I think the Janus bits need to be accessible as well. Currently, it's behind the docker net.

[doodlemania2]

Going to build Janus and dependencies from source (which will take some time) as the backports are old. While doing this, @nebulon is working on an update to TURN/STUN to enable API access in CR itself! See: https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/710

[jdaviescoates]

@doodlemania2 have you managed to make any further progress with getting this packaged? Thanks!

[doodlemania2]

Hi @jdaviescoates - yep - we need to wait for an update to Box to support Auth API things on the Turn server. cc: @girish

[girish]

Yup, we will add it in Cloudron 6

[jdaviescoates]

Sounds tantalisingly close, thanks @doodlemania2 @girish !

[jdaviescoates]

@jdaviescoates said in Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end:

Sounds tantalisingly close, thanks @doodlemania2 @girish !

In the meantime, Nextcloud 20 is going to make it easy to sign-up to a hosted Nextcloud High Performance Backend

See:
https://nextcloud.com/press/pr20201003-6/
https://help.nextcloud.com/t/nextcloud-hub-20-debuts-dashboard-unifies-search-and-notifications-integrates-with-other-technologies/93838
https://www.spreed.eu/contact-nextcloud-talk-high-performance-backend/

[doodlemania2]

I've got a very early prototype of this working - it just needs some API fun from the Cloudron TURN feature sets. https://git.cloudron.io/doodlemania2/nthpbe

[jdaviescoates]

Exciting, thanks @doodlemania2!

[oj]

@doodlemania2 You might be interested in this: Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend with Stun/Turnserver on Ubuntu with docker-compose

[girish]

@doodlemania2 To continue the discussion from the other thread about the TURN server requirements.

Per https://markus-blog.de/index.php/2020/07/30/how-to-install-nextcloud-talk-high-performance-backend-with-stun-turnserver-on-ubuntu/, the turnserver only requires a static-auth-secret and that is already set in existing turn server. I guess you are referring to the turn_rest_api_key in the janus configs? That secret is generated and shared between janus and nextcloud-spreed-signaling server from what I can understand. I think the existing turn service should work as-is.

[doodlemania2]

@girish oh no! i'm so sorry to have held us all up so long
okay - let me re-start my efforts and will study it more closely in addition to @oj 's and others suggestions to look at a prebuilt docker for inspiration.

[jdaviescoates]

@doodlemania2 said in Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end:

okay - let me re-start my efforts and will study it more closely in addition to @oj 's and others suggestions to look at a prebuilt docker for inspiration.

Did you manage to have another look? Would be so great to have this!

[doodlemania2]

@jdaviescoates I haven't yet and I feel really bad about it - work has been all consuming of late. It's literally at the top of my list, just haven't had a chance! I promise more soon fast as I can!

[jdaviescoates]

@doodlemania2 don't feel bad about it!

But also, great, thanks!

[doodlemania2]

@jdaviescoates I've been trying to get this to work but it just doesn't (based on the docker-compose example). I've reached out to the author of the blog to see if he can assist!

[doodlemania2]

this is ready for testing - please send me a DM if you'd like to try it out!

[girish]

@doodlemania2 great news! Is https://git.cloudron.io/doodlemania2/nthpbe still the latest repo because it says the commits are from 9 months ago.

[doodlemania2]

@girish we can delete that repo actually - instead of creating a fully packaged cloudron custom app, I decided to offer this to the cloudron community for free* from my VPSs.

*standard "be nice folks" or I turn it off

[doodlemania2]

@girish - i'm really embarassed it took that long (9 months!!!)

[jdaviescoates]

@doodlemania2 that's very kind of you!

But it'd still be great to have an app too. Was it just too difficult to package or something?

Thanks for all your efforts!

[doodlemania2]

@jdaviescoates like comical... way too many moving parts

[coniunctio]

@doodlemania2 Are you still sharing access to the Nextcloud Talk high-performance back-end that you have created? If so, how may I contact you to test it?

[doodlemania2]

@coniunctio Pinged you on DM!

[m-si]

I would realy love to see this happening as HPB is a gamechanger for bigger nextclouds. @doodlemania2 do you think that looking into https://github.com/deeztek/deeztek-docker/tree/master/Linux/nextcloud-spreed-signaling might help you with your packageing?

[doodlemania2]

@m-si someone may find a way to package it, however, I've found it to be much easier to run a dedicated set of servers for NTHPBE. I offer it to clients for a pretty low fee in either US or DE if you are at all interested.

[mudassar]

hi all, to bring up something from long ago, is there any chance this may pop up?

[doodlemania2]

@mudassar still offering the service for users - ping me on DM if interested.