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What's coming in 6.0 (take 2)

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  • jdaviescoatesJ Offline
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    replied to marcusquinn on last edited by
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    @marcusquinn said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

    @girish Any chance of you adding a button in for resizing the partition after upgrading a VM?

    +1

    Resizing my backup volume on Hetzner is one of the few reasons I have to occasionally ssh into my VPS.

    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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      Externalizing a volume to a Minio/S3/Object store would be nice.

      Conscious tech

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        @robi
        s3 filesystem are not so mature, i read a lot on them because use s3 with dovecot in our mail server and the performance are terrible in u use s3 as FS, 20/40 ms depending on where you host the s3 server.

        The optimal solution is to use plugin or software that integrate s3 in to the App/script that you want to use.

        Matteo. R.
        Founder and Tech-Support Manager.
        MooCloud MSP
        Swiss Managed Service Provider

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          @girish I could not have imagined a better system ! Looks amazing !

          Three questions:

          1/ How do you decide where in the app these are gonna be mounted? Is it in the same path for all apps ? Or could I create a given volume, and mount it at /app/data/toto in app 1 and /app/data/tata in app 2 ?

          2/ How does it work when there already is data in the app's original /app/data before you mount the volume to it? Is it just hidden as long as the volume is mounted?

          3/ How does it work with regards to backups?

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            For 1 and 2: Those volumes will be mounted into the apps based on /media/<volumename> and thus one volume associated with apps will always have the same mountpoint within the apps.

            For 3: Initially those won't be backed up at all, but we will likely add optional backup per volume as well. The user has to be aware of the fact that volumes are not part of the app backups as such!

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              @nebulon said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

              For 1 and 2: Those volumes will be mounted into the apps based on /media/<volumename> and thus one volume associated with apps will always have the same mountpoint within the apps.

              For 3: Initially those won't be backed up at all, but we will likely add optional backup per volume as well. The user has to be aware of the fact that volumes are not part of the app backups as such!

              That’s the difference to storage mounted in „Resources“ - this will get backed up, correct?

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                The volumes are setup outside of the apps first and are essentially independent. Once you've created a volume you can then mount that into an app via the Storage section in the app configuration. Even if mounted though, it will not be part of the app backup, since the main reason for volumes is to be mounted into multiple apps. For that we have to first figure out how to manage those with regards to backups.

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                  replied to nebulon on last edited by d19dotca
                  #43

                  @nebulon That makes sense. I’m of the opinion that optional block storage should effectively be backed up at the host level not the application level. In other words, taking a snapshot or something like that which many providers allow even volumes / block storage to be snapshotted. Much like how we need to snapshot our actual VPS on occasion too for a backup strategy of the entire server.

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                    @nebulon said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                    The volumes are setup outside of the apps first and are essentially independent. Once you've created a volume you can then mount that into an app via the Storage section in the app configuration. Even if mounted though, it will not be part of the app backup, since the main reason for volumes is to be mounted into multiple apps. For that we have to first figure out how to manage those with regards to backups.

                    No, I mean external volumes that you can currently already move the data dir to under „Resources“ in the app settings - this gets backed up, correct?

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                      We haven't decided on the naming yet, but maybe Volumes can be instead renamed to External Media or something, if it clarifies things. Open to other suggestions as well.

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                        @MooCloud_Matt this is only true if you use dumb S3 connectors that treat it like a filesystem instead of an object store.

                        It's a very different experience when things are treated properly as objects.

                        Conscious tech

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                          Re: Volumes - I think this will create a solution for something that I have been trying to resolve - i.e. Nextcloud app backups WITHOUT the data!

                          I want to be able to back up the app via Cloudron natively - but backup the data via borg/restic/kopia or the like. This looks like it could resolve this issue if the data was an attached volume. Very much looking forward to this feature if it's like that.

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                            @iqweb said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                            Re: Volumes - I think this will create a solution for something that I have been trying to resolve - i.e. Nextcloud app backups WITHOUT the data!

                            Yes, I think this will solve that use case. You mount a volume into nextcloud and configure nextcloud to use it as external storage.

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                              @girish can you also mount an ‘on server’ folder like that?

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                                @imc67 Yes. Currently, the main restriction is that you can only add host paths under /mnt and /media as a volume. So, you can create some NFS mount or SSHFS mount there and then add it as a volume and then mount it into an app.

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                                  @ruihildt There is a free tier, and if the "5 Mailboxes" means there is some functional email, then that is not bad.

                                  A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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                                    @scooke I'm not sure what you're replying to?

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                                      replied to girish on last edited by
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                                      @girish can't wait to have volumes to play with! 😛 what's your guestimate ETA?

                                      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                        @jdaviescoates Cloudron 6 is ~2-3 weeks away. The translation project is quite a massive change, so maybe I am being overlay optimistic here.

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                                          @girish all power to your elbow! (i.e. good luck!) 🙂

                                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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