Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?
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The developers are responsive and intelligent. The community rallies behind one another even the non-developers cheering on the developers.
There's a new update at least every few weeks to Cloudron so it's clearly actively maintained and it's just a brilliant platform with exciting new features that the community actually gets to weigh in on. So, yeah, thanks everyone for putting up with my incessant posting and allowing me to be part of the future of the web (I really believe that's what the Cloudron concept is going to be).
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Yup - I can see something similar happening for mobile device apps now that Apple, Google & Microsoft have forgotten who adds the most value to their walled gardens:
https://twitter.com/JeremiahLee/status/1309183061532250113?s=20
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@marcusquinn said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
Yup - I can see something similar happening for mobile device apps now that Apple, Google & Microsoft have forgotten who adds the most value to their walled gardens:
https://twitter.com/JeremiahLee/status/1309183061532250113?s=20
I actually follow PWA development but we're just not there yet on iOS or Android (though Android is further along). Ironically, on Desktop, Chrome is the closest we've come to "real apps" in a browser (they even have USB APIs), but Chrome on Desktop has huge performance issues! Tho computing power will plateau eventually and PWAs may be the future. That would be pretty cool.
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@Lonk Yup, worth following anyway, I feel the tide is turning: https://twitter.com/appfairness
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@marcusquinn I like that! And the anti-trust investigation this year was pretty cool.
We're pretty far away from that, but the anti-trust thing (I think) did push Apple to allow us to continue sideloading apps as we please. I'm part of another community AltStore for iPhone which is basically like the Open Source alternative app store community. It has a similar community vibe as here - and it's a fun cat and mouse game because Apple doesn't want an alternative App Store on their phones. But we did it, and it works, and it breaks nearly every update they do to block us - but they've finally stopped trying to stop us after the anti-trust investigation.
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Sorry, the CAF is mostly hypocritical, singling out Apple and Google for something every single hardware or software games (Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony ...), mobile (Google, Microsoft, ...) or music (yes, Spotify) platform has been doing (or unsuccessfully trying to do) in the past until today.
No one asks Spotify to be allowed on the platform, distributing and selling music without paying a substantial share to Spotify. -
@necrevistonnezr said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
Sorry, the CAF is mostly hypocritical, singling out Apple and Google for something every single hardware or software games (Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony ...), mobile (Google, Microsoft, ...) or music (yes, Spotify) platform has been doing (or unsuccessfully trying to do) in the past until today.
No one asks Spotify to be allowed on the platform, distributing and selling music without paying a substantial share to Spotify.Oh, I agree on that totally - but if we're being honest here, I don't mind the hypocrisy as long as what they're trying to achieve will help users and consumers (and any pressure on Apple to not "disallow" sideloading I'm for). I'm just pushing for sideloading being allowed on Apple. Thanks to another open-source project I contribute to, altstore.io, there is one. At the beginning of it all, it was a cat and mouse game where they would "secure" something we needed to sideload apps to make AltStore possible. But since all this Spotify stuff and the antitrust investigation they have gone easy on us and even reverted some of the security that was locking us up after that.
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Yes, it's great here isn't it
When my existing phone dies I'm also looking forward to getting a 2nd hand phone that'll run /e/, LineageOS, or maybe even just the Android Open Source Project (i.e. Android without all the Google stuff baked in), probably in that order of interest.
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@jdaviescoates said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
Yes, it's great here isn't it
When my existing phone dies I'm also looking forward to getting a 2nd hand phone that'll run /e/, LineageOS, or maybe even just the Android Open Source Project (i.e. Android without all the Google stuff baked in), probably in that order of interest.
Sp you're really into Android-based custom OSes huh? I've never met someone IRL that has one yet. Have you used any of the ones you listed before?
I have a Moto G Power lying around, I wonder if I could root it.
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Can't remember if I found on this forum but these devices & OS looks interesting: https://puri.sm/
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@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
Sp you're really into Android-based custom OSes huh?
I'm not sure I'd go that far, but it does really frustrate me that my phone keeps running out of space whilst it's got loads of Google apps on it that I never use and cannot uninstall.
@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
I've never met someone IRL that has one yet.
I have. Probably more than one. But I know that Chris from Web Architects has them for his whole family.
@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
Have you used any of the ones you listed before?
Yeah, a tiny weeny bit. The Wileyfox phone I've got originally came with Cyanogen on it, but when Cyanogen Inc closed down it updated to stock Android instead.
@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
I have a Moto G Power lying around, I wonder if I could root it.
There is no 'Power' one listed on the /e/ list of supported devices but they do list other Moto G devices, so I guess it might be possible
Personally, I'm definitely going to go for one that is specifically mentioned on the list (or similar lists for others OSs), and a newer one too. I want one that'll run Android pie, has Dual sim and a Removable battery. Probably a FairPhone FP2 (FairPhone 3 is out now, so easier to pick up a FairPhone 2).
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@marcusquinn said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
Can't remember if I found on this forum but these devices & OS looks interesting: https://puri.sm/
Yeah, they are cool if you can afford them.
See also PinePhone which is a similar sort of thing, but much cheaper.
Here is a blog comparing them both:
https://tuxphones.com/purism-librem-5-vs-pine64-pinephone-linux-smartphone-comparison/ -
@jdaviescoates You've heard of LineageOS i guess ? It's the "new" Cyanogen : the project created by basically the whole former Cyanogen team when Cyanogen Inc closed.
I ran Cyanogen / Lineage for a few years too, it's really great.
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@jdaviescoates said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
But I know that Chris from Web Architects has them for his whole family.
I love when. a tech member of the family makes them use all custom cool tech. I don't know that many people outside the Wordpress orbit, but it looks like your friend does some pretty cool stuff.
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The Android ecosystem is so diverse with custom firmware. Makes me wanna switch. I just have to avoid the draw of the iPhone 12 mini
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But I do work on AltStore which, in it's own way, half-of the way there. Open apps to all developers. I do want to upgrade to a new Android phone someday because I only use the Moto G Power for testing webdev stuff.
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@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
The Android ecosystem is so diverse with custom firmware. Makes me wanna switch. I just have to avoid the draw of the iPhone 12 mini
I for one like the walled garden of iOS / iPadOS that comes with tighter security - even with the existing security and appstore flaws it's far from the Android security hellhole. It's a system I don't have to worry about (more or less) - it's pretty secure even when my mother can use it (mother-proof security - I should trademark that). It's gotten so far that when I receive a suspicious email on my PC that I can't identify immediately, I just open it on my phone.
BTW it's what I like about Cloudron as well and why I pay for it even though I'm just a home user: I usually don't have to worry about it and I spent far less time fiddling with settings.
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@necrevistonnezr said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:
The Android ecosystem is so diverse with custom firmware. Makes me wanna switch. I just have to avoid the draw of the iPhone 12 mini
I for one like the walled garden of iOS / iPadOS that comes with tighter security - even with the existing security and appstore flaws it's far from the Android security hellhole. It's a system I don't have to worry about (more or less) - it's pretty secure even when my mother can use it (mother-proof security - I should trademark that). It's gotten so far that when I receive a suspicious email on my PC that I can't identify immediately, I just open it on my phone.
BTW it's what I like about Cloudron as well and why I pay for it even though I'm just a home user: I usually don't have to worry about it and I spent far less time fiddling with settings.
I feel the same way. I compared Cloudron’s App Store to a more catered version of an App Store. It just works is actually more applicable to Cloudron than iOS these days, but iOS Is my mobile OS of choice personally. I may be jealous of custom firmwares cause they seem fun. But I don’t even like jail breaking; too buggy. The only thing that was missing for me was sideloading legit apps that aren’t let in the official app store which is why I work on altstore.io. I don’t play Fortnight, but I could still install it if I wanted to.
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I'm also running LineageOs on my one+6 without Google apps(with microG).
It's good, though I have one banking app not working at all and some apps without notifications (no gapps = no push).
I don't miss anything, and still install some apps from the playstore through Aurora Store which is working flawlessly lately.(It wasn't always the case)
