Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?

[Lonkle]

@jdaviescoates If that's true than it would simply be on an app by app basis depending on what they use, but I'm guessing a lot of people would choose to stream their push notifications through Google. But I'm not an Android user daily. Apple mandates push notifications go through them, but I'm trying to find a way around that "public" limitation (with AltStore I can use whatever undocumented private APIs I can find).

[jdaviescoates]

@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

This is an amazing project.

It really is.

And the fact @girish and @nebulon have managed to build such a great community here too, is almost as impressive as the platform itself.

@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

And thank you for open-sourcing it. You could have done this with a different business model that made me feel less secure (walled-guardian type things), but your API to Docker is AMAZING (debug mode is particularly interesting) and I think it's the future of the web so I'm with you guys to the very end. You could even close the source if you really wanted, I'll still support - as long as there's no obfuscation I'll stick around converting apps (which I do find kinda fun).

Unless I've missed something, all the code was open-sourced, but is now closed, but (thankfully) with no obfuscation.

But I'm a little confused by your post, because you must know all this already, because you've contributed to the Why not make Cloudron fully open source again? thread

[Lonkle]

@jdaviescoates I thought only the dashboard and other things (a couple add-ons, the appstore) were closed source. But box (the main hub of all the things) is open source. Right? Which is why I thought the title of the post said "fully" in it.

[jdaviescoates]

@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

But box (the main hub of all the things) is open source. Right?

Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it is actually:
https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/blob/master/LICENSE

@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

Which is why I thought the title of the post said "fully" in it.

No, that was just because I'm aware some parts (I think the app packages) are open.

[jdaviescoates]

@nebulon said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

the best way is actually to spread the word or write a blog post or some such

I'm confident that if 6.0 goes open source we could generate significant press coverage

[Lonkle]

@jdaviescoates said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

@nebulon said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

the best way is actually to spread the word or write a blog post or some such

I'm confident that if 6.0 goes open source we could generate significant press coverage

It'd be great title for a headline. But I know this fight has been going on long before me - and the platform is non-obfuscated so I'm happy.

[jdaviescoates]

@Lonk said in Can I just say how wonderful it is getting to be part of this community?:

But I know this fight has been going on long before me

I definitely wouldn't call it a fight

That post is only from July, and as it says at the time I'd only been using Cloudron for 6 month (I first installed it on 10 Jan 2020) so I'm still a newbie myself really

[Lonkle]

@jdaviescoates Honestly you always felt like a vet to me. I didn't mean actual fight; just like ideology vs business model debacle that, I think a lot of people go through. There's no way the developer's would help me do box hot fix patches if they were against being OS, they just want to protect what's most important to them as a business.

It's somewhat similar to how the other open source project I contribute to works, the one I mentioned, altstore.io - AltStore only has 3 apps unless you pay a monthly subscriber fee for more features, but literally all the code is open source, anyone could do whatever they want with it, including easily pirate it. We don't even discourage it. But people pay just because they don't want any complexity at all. That's what Cloudron is. A "just works" system, so I think it would thrive open source, but it's also thriving now so whom I to judge. And I can definitely still say I'm happy with the current status quo of development in Cloudron even at the box level.

[marcusquinn]

@Lonk The platform to me is a convenience gateway to hosting apps & services, with the value in the access to the curated and supported app store.

[Lonkle]

I like how well thought out "sideloading" apps is. That's one of it's biggest benefits for me as a developer, but I see that from a user side too. Maybe that's why I like this. I've always liked sideloading apps.