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wrote on Oct 23, 2020, 5:31 PM last edited by
I outlined it here: https://github.com/NodeBB/NodeBB/issues/8785
I guess it's an admin setting? But it would be helpful to know this info.
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I will move this to discuss since Feature Requests is for feature requests to Cloudron.
As for making it public, I don't mind. Maybe someone with more experience with making such things public can chime in. I thought they were always public but I guess it's because I am an admin!
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I will move this to discuss since Feature Requests is for feature requests to Cloudron.
As for making it public, I don't mind. Maybe someone with more experience with making such things public can chime in. I thought they were always public but I guess it's because I am an admin!
wrote on Oct 23, 2020, 6:31 PM last edited by@girish Oops, sorry about the wrong forum category. But in that GitHub issue, they screenshot the checkbox in the Admin Settings on where to make them public: https://github.com/NodeBB/NodeBB/issues/8785
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@Lonk Oh, I wasn't asking about how to make it public. I was asking others about what the repercussions are to making this public. For example, on reddit, you cannot see how upvoted/downvoted (or can you?) . I am guessing it's like that for a reason.
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@Lonk Oh, I wasn't asking about how to make it public. I was asking others about what the repercussions are to making this public. For example, on reddit, you cannot see how upvoted/downvoted (or can you?) . I am guessing it's like that for a reason.
wrote on Oct 23, 2020, 8:00 PM last edited by@girish Oh, I understand now. I only think it's important because once you get past 5 upvotes you can't see who upvoted you anymore. The downvotes are important too. But, the community can weigh in on whether they want to click on the votes and see who's for and against any given thing.
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wrote on Oct 23, 2020, 10:30 PM last edited by d19dotca Oct 23, 2020, 10:31 PM
I support this idea, though I'd argue that it doesn't matter so much "who" is for or against something, just the tally matters IMO, so if it's a positive number than we know at least more people liked it than disliked it, right? That's what matters IMO. Frankly if there's a way to turn off names for likes and dislikes that may be helpful in another way too - it's the "reddit" style, though then that takes away the pride I get for a moment when I see @girish upvoting my comments.
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I support this idea, though I'd argue that it doesn't matter so much "who" is for or against something, just the tally matters IMO, so if it's a positive number than we know at least more people liked it than disliked it, right? That's what matters IMO. Frankly if there's a way to turn off names for likes and dislikes that may be helpful in another way too - it's the "reddit" style, though then that takes away the pride I get for a moment when I see @girish upvoting my comments.
hahahawrote on Oct 23, 2020, 10:42 PM last edited by@d19dotca We almost never downvote here, so I think it's useful because then you get to see if other user, developers, or admins agree with something you're thinking / saying. Specific people all have different expertise so knowing who liked what does have merit, to me at least.
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wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 10:18 AM last edited by yusf Oct 24, 2020, 10:19 AM
I like the current system. It’s a good balance between a little insight into who upvoted while at the same time pivots towards being the ”community voice” by avoiding personal grudges by hiding occasional downvotes. Qualitative responses is best expressed in replies anyway, imo.
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wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 11:34 AM last edited by ruihildt Oct 24, 2020, 11:48 AM
I'm not in favor of the downvote to start with.
There's a reason downvote doesn't exist on most social media, because it create antagonism and dissent ( which can quickly become personal) without being actionnable feedback, enriching debate and discussion.
Upvote/Downvote make sense when you try to make content resurface (like Reddit or Stack Overflow). Which is not the case here.
Finally, as it was pointed out, downvote is rarely used, so I don't think we'll miss it.
For these reasons, I'd rather prefer there was only a 'heart', a la Twitter.
That being said, feel free to downvote me.
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wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 11:36 AM last edited by
Thinking about it, I'm now wondering if some people have actually downvoted apps in App Requests section.
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Thinking about it, I'm now wondering if some people have actually downvoted apps in App Requests section.
wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 11:45 AM last edited by@ruihildt yes, that definitely happens.
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@ruihildt yes, that definitely happens.
wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 11:51 AM last edited by@jdaviescoates Wow, that's really disappointing and unnecessary.
(BTW, I updated my previous message)
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I'm not in favor of the downvote to start with.
There's a reason downvote doesn't exist on most social media, because it create antagonism and dissent ( which can quickly become personal) without being actionnable feedback, enriching debate and discussion.
Upvote/Downvote make sense when you try to make content resurface (like Reddit or Stack Overflow). Which is not the case here.
Finally, as it was pointed out, downvote is rarely used, so I don't think we'll miss it.
For these reasons, I'd rather prefer there was only a 'heart', a la Twitter.
That being said, feel free to downvote me.
wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 12:03 PM last edited by@ruihildt I don't think it's that bad really.
As you said:
@ruihildt said in NodeBB Setting Change: Make upvotes and downvotes public:
Upvote/Downvote make sense when you try to make content resurface (like Reddit or Stack Overflow). Which is not the case here.
But that kinda is the case in the App wishlist category.
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@ruihildt I don't think it's that bad really.
As you said:
@ruihildt said in NodeBB Setting Change: Make upvotes and downvotes public:
Upvote/Downvote make sense when you try to make content resurface (like Reddit or Stack Overflow). Which is not the case here.
But that kinda is the case in the App wishlist category.
wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 12:11 PM last edited by ruihildt Oct 24, 2020, 12:12 PM@jdaviescoates Maybe I'm too naive, but I don't see what would be an argument not to have an app on the store?
If I'm not interested, then I don't upvote it. I see that section more as a gauge of the number of people interested in it.
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@jdaviescoates Maybe I'm too naive, but I don't see what would be an argument not to have an app on the store?
If I'm not interested, then I don't upvote it. I see that section more as a gauge of the number of people interested in it.
wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 12:32 PM last edited by@ruihildt I don't think I've ever downvoted an app either. But I guess it's more about prioritising.
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wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 3:47 PM last edited by yusf Oct 24, 2020, 3:48 PM
Note that in comparison with typical social media reputation score is a thing on NodeBB. I feel like the voting system is used in a very positive and encouraging way in this community as well, I’m actually inspired to replicate it in other communities.
On occasion downvotes happen. In my experience it’s usually not when members disagree on taste or favorite apps but when the content is outright spammy, abusive or utterly negative. Then the community reacts and rightfully so.
I see no issue with the current system at all and I see no point in changing what has been around and worked well for so long.
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wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 3:49 PM last edited by
Oh, it did change. Nevermind ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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wrote on Oct 24, 2020, 3:57 PM last edited by
Tbh, for me, it's just to make sure if a suggestion I make is more or less likely to make it into
masterbased on who liked / disliked it (the actual developers, app devs, and then users). -
Tbh, for me, it's just to make sure if a suggestion I make is more or less likely to make it into
masterbased on who liked / disliked it (the actual developers, app devs, and then users).@Lonk said in NodeBB Setting Change: Make upvotes and downvotes public:
it's just to make sure if a suggestion I make is more or less likely to make it into master based on who liked / disliked it
Don't forget that it's not the forum users that decide this, but actually @girish and @nebulon. And that should purely be on what they see value in and can see themselves maintain and support in the future.
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I like the idea of removing downvotes in general. For example, this post also has gone to "-1". I am not sure what I am supposed to make out of that
It's better people leave a note. It's not like we have 10k different users here, it's still a small manageable community.I have disabled downvotes for now and made the upvote public, let's see how it works for some time. We can always revert this change, in case we missed out on what it offers.
