App Packaging "Event"
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Today at 3PM Eastern US Time, I'll be hosting (or trying to - it's the first one!) an app packaging event.
If you'd like to join, I will be on chat here:
https://matrix.to/#/#apppackaging:thedoodleproject.netAnd the livestream will be here:
https://video.apps.thedoodleproject.net/videos/watch/d0e86f98-2ec4-4e24-967b-8711944f0e58Again, this may or may not work, but I've practiced a few times and will be around to show what I do and we can chat.
Hope to see you there!
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@doodlemania2 If you do plan to attend, please make sure you can see the above links first - I won't have time to troubleshoot it during lol
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@doodlemania2 tried to join the matrix channel and it says
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@msbt I've never done it before so "it works on my end" is best I know haha - my server is thedoodleproject.net and the room is public - so you should be able to see it in the matrix'verse?
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@doodlemania2 this seems to be the internal id of the room, you can add a public primary one in the room settings (not entirely sure if it's supposed to work with the internal id too), like #discuss:thedoodleproject.net
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@msbt #apppackaging:thedoodleproject.net
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@doodlemania2 works, so the actual link would be https://matrix.to/#/#apppackaging:thedoodleproject.net
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I can't get into the chat because Matrix confuses me but enjoying watching along!
We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
Jersey/UK
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I could joint he chat an read the message, but I can't post and video is laggy even in 240p.
I'll pass for today. Enjoy!
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It's working quite well here. To join matrix, it was confusing for me:
- First click on that compass like button to the right of the 'filter' edit box.
- Then put in the root name
#apppackaging:thedoodleproject.netin the dialog that pops up:
- Press enter (that 'Join' button is also 'clickable'), that's it!
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We have around 16 viewers now
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@doodlemania2 enjoyed watching that - thank you for your time, was really interesting, video and sound quality was good, couldn't hear any background noise from the hurricane, nice presentation - thank you!!
We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
Jersey/UK
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@marcusquinn Thank you all so much! That was so much fun
I'll post more, including replay and "how I did that" in a while.
We also have a volunteer for next session "Tomer" - I'll work with them to firm up the tooling. -
@doodlemania2 ahaha!
So apparently if you DONT click that button, it doesn't get saved in PeerTube. Let that be a lesson for ya. Suffice to say - I did a secondary recording just in case. And it's uploading now -
@doodlemania2 should make that the default
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@robi Here's the recording yall if you like:
https://video.apps.thedoodleproject.net/videos/watch/e7125134-fca9-4c0a-9d29-69cf19eb2464The encoding was a bit off between audio and video. Not sure what that was about.
As for tech used to produce this glorious (haha) event - writing up a blog entry on that today/tomorrow and will publish if anyone was curious.
Goodnight all - and go paperlessng!
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@doodlemania2 Thanks for doing this and sharing.
One thing that stood out right away is when you mentioned the dev environment should not be in the Cloudron host OS, but somewhere else..
Now that we have sysbox working at a basic level, I think that "somewhere else" can easily be in a container using the sysbox runc which will properly encapsulate that environment safely, running within Cloudron.
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@doodlemania2 said in App Packaging "Event":
I did a secondary recording just in case.
@doodlemania2 said in App Packaging "Event":
Here's the recording yall if you like:
https://video.apps.thedoodleproject.net/videos/watch/e7125134-fca9-4c0a-9d29-69cf19eb2464This should be added to https://videos.cloudron.io/ too.
@doodlemania2 said in App Packaging "Event":
We also have a volunteer for next session "Tomer" - I'll work with them to firm up the tooling.
Tomer is @thetomester13
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@jdaviescoates actually since this is peertube and our instances follow each other, the video is already available there at https://videos.cloudron.io/videos/watch/e7125134-fca9-4c0a-9d29-69cf19eb2464
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@nebulon cool! the wonders of federation!
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@nebulon woah that's cool!
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@jdaviescoates thanks! hi @thetomester13 didn't catch that earlier.
Blog on how I did all this coming in a few. -
@doodlemania2 Here's my blog on packaging, love of cloudron, and how I set up my broadcast. https://www.derekmartin.org/my-favorite-way-to-host/
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@thetomester13 - hit me up on Matrix - would love to chat about a fully synchronous next meetup, unless you had other plans for yours.
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DAMN! - missed the stream but did watch =] please do another!
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Hello all! I'd like to take the torch here and host the next Packaging Event. I'm thinking Wednesday at 5pm EST.
Since @doodlemania2 has mostly completed his work with Paperless-ng, and since many people are always asking about how to write tests for packaged apps, I figured I'd lead the charge with writing tests for a recently packaged app of mine, Astral.
Ideally this can be a more synchronous event, as opposed to a broadcast format. I'm happy to drive but wouldn't mind input (and conversation : ) while going through this. I'm not sure the best way to go about this, @doodlemania2 has suggested either a video call through the Matrix room from the previous event, or a Meet instance.
Happy to hear any thoughts! It'd also be good to know how many people here can plan on making it, or if another time would work better for people.
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I think ideally someone would lead the session and do the main presentation/coding while viewers would be able to chime in like we had with matrix. That way the session can be nicely recorded and thus offers more value in the long term.
As far as I can tell bigbluebutton would be best for this @luckow might be able to offer some advice for this.
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@nebulon I agree - the PeerTube worked well but is ideally suited for "broadcast" and not so much interactive. Matrix would be good cause it'd all be in line, but doesn't offer recording.
Has someone packaged BBB that we can leverage natively that does video, chat, recording?
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@doodlemania2 said in App Packaging "Event":
Has someone packaged BBB
I don't think so. In part because there still isn't a stable release that'll run on Ubuntu 18.04
I've got an account on https://meet.coop though and could happily set-up a room for this. Recordings from BBB are a bit of a pain though, although they might work for this - by default the video is just of the presentation and audio and no webcams.
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I could host via Webex - easy streaming/recording and simple to operate with a decent feature set. I won't likely be able to be the one doing any of the live work initially, but I could at least facilitate the meeting for everyone.
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Of all the ones I've tried, I know it's not Cloudron, but the absolute easiest is meet.jit.si and recording to Dropbox, then you can move the video to Peertube or whatever very quickly after.
Edit: Just did a quick test, recordings are 720P, so only works well for screensharing if you have the resolution low.
Screenflow or Wondershare Demo Creator are the best screen recording options I know to record at higher resolutions.
We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
Jersey/UK
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@marcusquinn Don't we have Jitsi packaged? Could that work?
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@doodlemania2 Perhaps. I've never ventured outside of using whatever is in the App Store, although I'm still pushing to get more dev assistance on app packaging from my network because it seems to be a bottleneck.
I think packaged or hosted is fine, I feel security is their USP, and it's ultimately going to be a public meeting anyway. I suspect recording would be best done locally, ideal resolution being 1920x1080, on Mac I tend to use "BetterSnapTool" for setting various screensize areas for recording just part of a screen without adjusting my main screen resolution.
Of all those I've tried, Jitsi has always been fast and reliable, so maybe just use their infrastructure until the Cloudron version is battle-tested?
We're not here for a long time - but we are here for a good time :)
Jersey/UK
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@marcusquinn I think as long as we get the recording uploaded to Cloudron's video system, anything will work!
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Alright, I am setup using @jdaviescoates 's BBB instance for now. We're still on for tomorrow, Wednesday the 27th at 5pm EST for writing some tests! Hope to see some people there!
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The BBB room that this will be taking place at is here: https://ca.meet.coop/b/jos-2xl-ze7-g0q. Hope to see you all soon!
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@thetomester13 this was such a great session today! kudos on the efforts and excited to see phase 2 - xpath for the...uh... ewe! hehe
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@doodlemania2 thanks
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@thetomester13 It was awesome! Let me know if you need help fixing the issue we had with the test aborting. A quick idea is to simply check if the tests of some other package run out of the box.
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@girish good idea! I'll give that a whirl. My guess (and hope
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Glad to hear this went well. Would be interested to hear any feedback about how well BBB worked?
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@thetomester13 as a hint, you started from a test which was still using selenium in a more complex fashion. We didn't know initially how to initialize it correctly and I think copied some code from somewhere.
Here https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/freescout-app/-/blob/master/test/test.js#L38 for example you can see how you could also initialize it, without that jar and whatnot. Maybe moving to that style resolves your chromedriver issue already.
Also make sure that chromedriver and selenium node modules are latest, they are quite picky
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@jdaviescoates thanks again for setting up the BBB room for us! It worked well on my end, the main thing to note is that once people were there, I didn't see the 'record' button so wasn't able to record the session through BBB (though recorded locally). Weird as we were able to do a test recording just fine ahead of time.
@nebulon ok this is great! I was able to get the versions matching and chromedriver to run properly, but this example is much cleaner and can help me make more progress, thanks!
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@doodlemania2 would you be willing to post your packaging events on twitter? Or maybe an email list? I really want to attend
✌💙+1
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I wanna make it to the next one of these, just struggling financially due to the pandemic so I'm setting little time away for my hobbies like Cloudron for now. But later in the year I'll be contributing more to these kinds of activities.
️And I second @plusone-nick, we def need at least a way for people that don't have the
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@plusone-nick yes of course!
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For everyone who missed the last session, @thetomester13 made his recording available to us and I've put it into our peertube instance: https://videos.cloudron.io/videos/watch/9d163d31-d24c-4148-bd7e-a42857bcd4a4
There was some transcoding happening and for some reason it feels like it is loading slower for me than other videos, but maybe that is just my setup causing this.
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@doodlemania2 awesome much appreciated!
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Hey all, I'm hoping to do a Part 2 session from my event coming up during the second week of February (this week is quite busy). I'm thinking Monday (8th), Tuesday (9th), or Wednesday (10th) at the same 5pm EST timeslot - are there preferences or times that would work better than others for people? Also, ideally we can use the same BBB room (if @jdaviescoates would be so kind : ) since that seemed to work out alright, but still open to other suggestions.
Quick update: I was able to get the webdriver working, it was simple versioning issues. Next up is to figure out login to Github and find a decent online xpath tester to prepare for this next session. And don't worry, I'll pick up right from where I left off and walk through the debugging I've had to do solo, before jumping into the actual tests.
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@thetomester13 very happy for you to use the BBB room on my meet.coop account again
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Hello again! I've decided on next Wednesday the 10th at 5pm EST for Astral Testing 2.0! I was able to get over the major humps and will talk through those, but still have not completed the tests on my end, as that's the fun part that we'll get to do together
I'll do another screen recording on my end and upload, hopefully we can get the BBB to record as well, but that's out of my hands... otherwise, open to other suggestions about what you liked, didn't like, any changes I can make for this next session for you all to make the most of it!
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@thetomester13 awesome, will surely join. What was the issue btw with selenium acting strange? Or is that a secret for only the attendees of next stream
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@girish said in App Packaging "Event":
Or is that a secret for only the attendees of next stream
it was a simple versioning issue and fix. We were using version 85 of chromedriver but my Chrome installed locally was version 88. Updating the module version worked like magic! -
@thetomester13 sometimes a
npm i --rebuildwould also fix the issue, even without updating the node modules as such! -
@nebulon TIL!
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@thetomester13 So, is your session at https://ca.meet.coop/b/jos-2xl-ze7-g0q tomorrow?
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@girish good question! That seems to be up so I'd say yes that's where we'll meet today, but hoping @jdaviescoates can give us the final confirmation.
I'll take this opportunity to send out a final reminder that we're doing an event tonight at 5pm EST and are going to be writing some tests for the Astral App in order for it to become a stable app! Everyone welcome!
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@thetomester13 5pm EST is midnight in GMT +1, probably gonna watch the rerun, but good luck with the stream!
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@thetomester13 said in App Packaging "Event":
hoping @jdaviescoates can give us the final confirmation.
Go for it! Hopefully the record button will display this time too! (like it did on our initial test!)
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@msbt thanks! Had to be flexible with work hours on my end
Thanks for the virtual room @jdaviescoates !
