What's coming in Cloudron 9.0 (was 8.0)

[girish]

(We split the features into two release 6.2, 6.3 and 7.0, 8.0 they are tagged appropriately below)

Features planned for 9.0:

• (9.0) Multihost support. i.e you can have many servers and have a single dashboard to manage users, apps and domains - https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/142

These features are already implemented:

• (6.2) Move apps to new base image v3 - See https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4366/docker-base-image-3-0
• (6.2) Database upgrades - MySQL 8, Postgres 12, Redis 5, Mongo DB 4.2.
• (6.2) Update node to 14.15.4
• (6.2) Update docker to 20.10.3
• Add service account type . This will add a way to create a "service" or bot user that can be used for automation but doesn't appear in LDAP directory queries. Decided against this because of lack of use cases.
• (6.2) Make it possible to restore without updating DNS. This is useful if you want to test out cloudron backups.
• (6.2) Add a way to manage apps <-> groups better. Currently, it's hard to get a grip on what apps a user/group has access to easily (maybe add filters as well).
• FTP access to volumes This is complicated, maybe some other release.
• (6.2) TLS addon (for DoT in AdguardHome)
• (7.4) Implement LDAP+2FA across apps - See https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/705 . Deprecated in favor of OIDC support.

Update: 6.2 is out. We will work on 6.3 - https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4723/what-s-coming-in-cloudron-6-3 . It's a required first step for multi-host.

[thetomester13]

@girish these are all welcome features! I never thought of the service account type but now reading it it makes so much sense!

Curious about the LDAP+2FA implementation - I know there's been talk of this in the forum before, but how would this work? It wouldn't require updating the upstream apps, right? One thing I've come across for example is that I have 2FA for multiple apps installed across my Cloudron instance. So while all usernames and passwords are the same (LDAP), I need a separate entry in Bitwarden since the 2FA codes are different. Would this feature solve this issue?

[girish]

@thetomester13 There are some apps that support LDAP but no 2FA. So, an intermittent approach until the upstream app supports 2FA is allow the user to enter "password;2FAtoken" in the password box of the app. On the Cloudron side, I imagine the UI is a combo/select box asking which apps to enable this feature for. This way, if the upstream app starts supporting 2FA, all you have to do is to enable 2FA in the app itself and then disable this feature on Cloudron side.

Bitwarden doesn't have LDAP, so it won't be able to make use of this feature.

[thetomester13]

@girish ooohhhhkay. I think it finally clicked in my head how this would work with Cloudron as the LDAP provider Thanks for the breakdown!

[d19dotca]

Looks like a great release! I’m most looking forward to Multihost support and being able to restore without having to make DNS changes before hand. Plus of course the updates to MySQL and such. Excellent news!!

[p44]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 7.0:

Multihost support. i.e you can have many servers and have a single dashboard to manage users, apps and domains - https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/142

Great!

[p44]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 7.0:

Make it possible to restore without updating DNS. This is useful if you want to test out cloudron backups.

Also this is a very interesting feature! Hours saved waiting DNS propagation ...

[jdaviescoates]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 7.0:

Features planned for 7.0:

Sounds like another wonderful release you're cooking up!

It's all great, but these are the big two for me:

• Multihost support. i.e you can have many servers and have a single dashboard to manage users, apps and domains - https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/142
• Add a way to manage apps <-> groups better. Currently, it's hard to get a grip on what apps a user/group has access to easily (maybe add filters as well).

Multihost support will be awesome - as will a way to easily see who has access to what apps!

Thanks!

[Lonkle]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 7.0:

Multihost support. i.e you can have many servers and have a single dashboard to manage users, apps and domains - https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/142

This is huge. Since Version 6.2 is next, is 7.0 coming after 6.2?

Also, this will likely also be in 7.0 as of today:
https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/box/-/issues/773 (reference:
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4473/event-to-webhooks)

[girish]

Yes, so the changes in master have already piled up and we have completed all the database migration related code changes. The database migration is kinda massive because we also have to pretty much test every app on the app store with the latest frameworks and databases. So, far I think we only have freescout which seems to have some issues with PHP 7.4 but we are only half way through our apps I remember last time around we did this owncloud and wallabag was holding us back (both related to postgresql upgrade).

I won't create a separate thread as such for 6.2 because we only see it as an intermediate release for Cloudron 7.

[Lonkle]

@girish Gotcha, well, don't forget to add web hook support to the release notes if that milestone ends up being for 7.0! Really excited about web hooks tbh.

[d19dotca]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 7.0:

I won't create a separate thread as such for 6.2 because we only see it as an intermediate release for Cloudron 7.

Any ETA on when 6.2 will be out, will that start later this week or will it be a while yet? No rush, just curious as I'm trying to plan some of my testing around that Backups behaviour fix for cleaning out missing backups.

[girish]

@d19dotca don't have an ETA yet. We still have many apps to port over to the base image before we can make a release. I will update this thread end of the week when I will know better how much ground we have covered.

[malvim]

Sounds awesome! You guys rock.

I've had an interest in multi-host support forever, but haven't been following the discussions as of late. Curious about how billing and support will work.

Is this a single dashboard for multiple cloudrons, so that we'll pay for each one separately? Or is it a single cloudron with multi-host capabilities, so that we just throw a bunch of machines on a single cloudron install and it just does its thing?

Thanks!

[girish]

@malvim said in What's coming in Cloudron 7.0:

I've had an interest in multi-host support forever, but haven't been following the discussions as of late. Curious about how billing and support will work.
Is this a single dashboard for multiple cloudrons, so that we'll pay for each one separately? Or is it a single cloudron with multi-host capabilities, so that we just throw a bunch of machines on a single cloudron install and it just does its thing?

We want to implement the latter i.e it's basically a single cloudron with multi-host capabilities, where you can add nodes to a single Cloudron install. As for pricing/billing, there will be some per-node pricing component to our existing pricing. I don't have the exact details yet.

[marcusquinn]

@girish The most interesting thing about this is the way most hosts charge less per CPU/RAM for the smaller VPS tiers to capture people price-comparing.

It might be something that pays for itself, where growing single VPS CPU/RAM can be exponentially costly.

[girish]

Most of the apps are updated to the new base image, yay! That was a lot of work but atleast we can be confident that the apps work with the latest databases. So, we will push out a 6.2 release very soon with the following:

• Move apps to new base image v3 - See https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4366/docker-base-image-3-0
• Database upgrades - MySQL 8, Postgres 12, Redis 5, Mongo DB 4.2.
• Update node to 14.15.4
• Update docker to 20.10.3
• Make it possible to restore without updating DNS. This is useful if you want to test out cloudron backups.
• Add a way to manage apps <-> groups better. Currently, it's hard to get a grip on what apps a user/group has access to easily (maybe add filters as well).
• TLS addon (for DoT in AdguardHome)

[girish]

Just finished up on the "Dry run" feature for Cloudron restore. You can use this to test your backups, test migrate to another server to see how well the server performs (for example, when you switch VPS) etc.

The way it works is :

• you select this "Dry run" checkbox. When enabled, it will restore as always except it won't update the DNS.

  

• Before you click 'Restore', add an entry in /etc/hosts for my.domain.com to this new server's IP. You probably also want to add entries for your app domains if you want to test them.

• Once restored, and you feel happy, you can "switch over" to this new server, using the new sync DNS feature. This is in the Domains view.

  

[ruihildt]

That's great!

Will you potentially lose some data during the backup/restore time that won't be carried over to the new one if you're running "dynamic" apps (like a forum)?

[imc67]

@ruihildt I was thinking the same! For example emails getting in to the old server will be lost I guess.