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Specs for a video chat with 5-10 people, all mostly in Europe

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    • scookeS Offline
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      It’s been awhile since I last tried this app.

      Would having a Cloudron based Kopan’s Meet install in a vps with 4gb ram work (it’s a RackNerd VPS, fwiw)?

      I’m trying to convince some friends to get off Zoom, so I’m tasked with providing an alternative. I’ll give Kopana Meet another try.

      A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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      • scookeS scooke

        It’s been awhile since I last tried this app.

        Would having a Cloudron based Kopan’s Meet install in a vps with 4gb ram work (it’s a RackNerd VPS, fwiw)?

        I’m trying to convince some friends to get off Zoom, so I’m tasked with providing an alternative. I’ll give Kopana Meet another try.

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        @scooke Nextcloud Talk works really well and it's built in.

        Conscious tech

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        • scookeS scooke

          It’s been awhile since I last tried this app.

          Would having a Cloudron based Kopan’s Meet install in a vps with 4gb ram work (it’s a RackNerd VPS, fwiw)?

          I’m trying to convince some friends to get off Zoom, so I’m tasked with providing an alternative. I’ll give Kopana Meet another try.

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          @scooke said in Specs for a video chat with 5-10 people, all mostly in Europe:

          install in a vps with 4gb ram

          Ram does not matter that much here. More important is latency & bandwidth for turn and signalling. Plus a not terribly overloaded cpu to ensure realtime processing. (But the same would amount to nextcloud talk, but that one also has a php overhead).

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            All of this improves quite a bit with the HPBE, which enables processing on the server instead of on the clients.

            Consider contributing to the HPBE getting packaged by @doodlemania2

            Conscious tech

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            • scookeS scooke

              It’s been awhile since I last tried this app.

              Would having a Cloudron based Kopan’s Meet install in a vps with 4gb ram work (it’s a RackNerd VPS, fwiw)?

              I’m trying to convince some friends to get off Zoom, so I’m tasked with providing an alternative. I’ll give Kopana Meet another try.

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              @scooke said in Specs for a video chat with 5-10 people, all mostly in Europe:

              I’m tasked with providing an alternative

              The proven self-hosted Zoom alternative is a non-Cloudron, self-hosted Jitsi. It just works. Here is a "one-click" install!

              The Cloudron Nextcloud Talk can (standalone) enable audio chat for 10 people in a group...but - without the external Spreed HPB - video chat is effectively only for up to 3-4 people in a group.

              Ditto for Kopano Meet without their external Kopano Boost SFU.

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              • O oj

                @scooke said in Specs for a video chat with 5-10 people, all mostly in Europe:

                I’m tasked with providing an alternative

                The proven self-hosted Zoom alternative is a non-Cloudron, self-hosted Jitsi. It just works. Here is a "one-click" install!

                The Cloudron Nextcloud Talk can (standalone) enable audio chat for 10 people in a group...but - without the external Spreed HPB - video chat is effectively only for up to 3-4 people in a group.

                Ditto for Kopano Meet without their external Kopano Boost SFU.

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                @oj the problem with the cloudron jitsi install is the lack of a TURN server, which means it is not possible to have video calls with customers on enterprise platforms (that require traffic over 443)

                So, any major customer basically.

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                • allanboweA allanbowe

                  @oj the problem with the cloudron jitsi install is the lack of a TURN server, which means it is not possible to have video calls with customers on enterprise platforms (that require traffic over 443)

                  So, any major customer basically.

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                  @allanbowe Would it be very complex to fix this? Would including a TURN server be much of an overhead?

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                  • scookeS scooke

                    It’s been awhile since I last tried this app.

                    Would having a Cloudron based Kopan’s Meet install in a vps with 4gb ram work (it’s a RackNerd VPS, fwiw)?

                    I’m trying to convince some friends to get off Zoom, so I’m tasked with providing an alternative. I’ll give Kopana Meet another try.

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                    @scooke As @oj said, Jitsi works well. It doesn't have a sort of bell rining, hey! answer the call function, but it works well.

                    There is the Jami project or even Signal, if that might be OK.

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                    • L LoudLemur

                      @allanbowe Would it be very complex to fix this? Would including a TURN server be much of an overhead?

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                      @LoudLemur said in Specs for a video chat with 5-10 people, all mostly in Europe:

                      @allanbowe Would it be very complex to fix this? Would including a TURN server be much of an overhead?

                      My understanding (possibly wrong, out of date) is that Jitsi on Cloudron does already take advantage of the TURN server that is bundled with Cloudron, it's just that the TURN server is not yet configurable to use port 443 because that is in use by something else.

                      Perhaps @staff could clarify what the current status of that is? I think there were plans afoot to enable different TURN configurations, but I might be wrong.

                      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                        Running TURN server on port 443 only matters for setups where a Client is unable to contact the server on non-port 443. This is only common in some ultra locked down intranet setups.

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