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  • S subtlecourage

    @subtlecourage

    I should click on your links first

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    timconsidine
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    @subtlecourage 😊

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    • robiR robi

      Cool, would be neat to hook it up to Google Voice as currently there doesn't appear to be any "pleasant" clients after they ripped Hangouts away.

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      @robi said in SMS desktop app:

      Cool, would be neat to hook it up to Google Voice as currently there doesn't appear to be any "pleasant" clients after they ripped Hangouts away.

      I guess.
      Bazzell (instigator of the project) likes GoogleVoice but I am trying to de-google as much as possible.

      I don't know what the developer's roadmap is.
      You could ask on his github
      He has this roadmap link : https://github.com/0perationPrivacy/VoIP/projects/2

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      • timconsidineT timconsidine

        @robi said in SMS desktop app:

        Cool, would be neat to hook it up to Google Voice as currently there doesn't appear to be any "pleasant" clients after they ripped Hangouts away.

        I guess.
        Bazzell (instigator of the project) likes GoogleVoice but I am trying to de-google as much as possible.

        I don't know what the developer's roadmap is.
        You could ask on his github
        He has this roadmap link : https://github.com/0perationPrivacy/VoIP/projects/2

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        @timconsidine I saw it.. and some of the issue comments.

        Since it's an API thing, it should be up to the user to choose GV or other services IMO.

        Conscious tech

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        • robiR robi

          @timconsidine I saw it.. and some of the issue comments.

          Since it's an API thing, it should be up to the user to choose GV or other services IMO.

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          wrote on last edited by timconsidine
          #10

          @robi Yes, he may well get to it, as Michael uses GVoice and is the main driver for features at this stage.

          The app also works with the chosen platform to configure it.
          For Telnyx and Twilio, the app will create a messaging profile and configure the platform auto-magically to link the number.
          So the app may need extending to do the same for Google Voice .... if that is possible.

          Having said that, you may well be able to configure Google Voice manually with the required webhook for where the app is deployed e.g. https://sms.domain.tld/api/setting/receive-sms/telnyx

          Apologies I don't know anything really about Google Voice or what it supports. I read Google is turning off forwarding of SMS to email, which a lot of people relied on previously.

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          • timconsidineT timconsidine

            @robi Yes, he may well get to it, as Michael uses GVoice and is the main driver for features at this stage.

            The app also works with the chosen platform to configure it.
            For Telnyx and Twilio, the app will create a messaging profile and configure the platform auto-magically to link the number.
            So the app may need extending to do the same for Google Voice .... if that is possible.

            Having said that, you may well be able to configure Google Voice manually with the required webhook for where the app is deployed e.g. https://sms.domain.tld/api/setting/receive-sms/telnyx

            Apologies I don't know anything really about Google Voice or what it supports. I read Google is turning off forwarding of SMS to email, which a lot of people relied on previously.

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            @timconsidine Thanks for that, while I don't have it installed, I can't try it and I'd like to see it at least documented somewhere, even if as a hack.

            Conscious tech

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            • robiR robi

              @timconsidine Thanks for that, while I don't have it installed, I can't try it and I'd like to see it at least documented somewhere, even if as a hack.

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              @robi understood
              I got a message that they will incorporate my HOW-TO in their official docs.

              There are couple screenshots on one of their pages.
              I can make some others.
              But maybe you need more.

              It's definitely still beta, but it's working without frills like decent address book, group lists etc. But I think they are coming.

              I also noticed that someone has posted a message requesting Dockerfile for Cloudron install !

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              • timconsidineT timconsidine

                @robi understood
                I got a message that they will incorporate my HOW-TO in their official docs.

                There are couple screenshots on one of their pages.
                I can make some others.
                But maybe you need more.

                It's definitely still beta, but it's working without frills like decent address book, group lists etc. But I think they are coming.

                I also noticed that someone has posted a message requesting Dockerfile for Cloudron install !

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                subtlecourage
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                @timconsidine
                Little by little!

                I am so stoked!

                Would you consider your version prod ready?

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                • S subtlecourage

                  @timconsidine
                  Little by little!

                  I am so stoked!

                  Would you consider your version prod ready?

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                  wrote on last edited by timconsidine
                  #14

                  @subtlecourage hmmm, good question
                  Depends on how consider production ready.

                  Yes, it's working ! To send out SMS and receive inbound.

                  But no, because the app is still officially beta, and there are features not yet implemented (voice but I don't need that) and contacts management, export of SMS

                  Overall I think it's worth trying out, with the understanding that it is still evolving.

                  EDIT : if you follow the LXC installation route, it's easy to try it out. Just remove the container if you feel it's not ready yet. Telnyx numbers are month-by-month subscription so no long-term commitment.

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                    privsec
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                    #15

                    Wow, what an awesome concept, though looks a bit complicated setup. Do you run into any errors while using?

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                    • P privsec

                      Wow, what an awesome concept, though looks a bit complicated setup. Do you run into any errors while using?

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                      @privsec : it's not complicated, just multiple steps

                      If you want to actually understand, I put the references to tutorials with explanation.
                      but i abstracted the steps into a 'monkey see, monkey do' process
                      btw, I am the monkey referred to !

                      sorry for one hand typing

                      if you follow the steps you should be ok, but ler me know if anything needs clarifying

                      no, i don't get any errors using it

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                      • timconsidineT timconsidine

                        @privsec : it's not complicated, just multiple steps

                        If you want to actually understand, I put the references to tutorials with explanation.
                        but i abstracted the steps into a 'monkey see, monkey do' process
                        btw, I am the monkey referred to !

                        sorry for one hand typing

                        if you follow the steps you should be ok, but ler me know if anything needs clarifying

                        no, i don't get any errors using it

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                        privsec
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                        @timconsidine Hahaha, you are hilarious!

                        For LXC, can that be ran simultaneously on a cloudron server?

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                        • P privsec

                          @timconsidine Hahaha, you are hilarious!

                          For LXC, can that be ran simultaneously on a cloudron server?

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                          @privsec

                          For LXC, can that be ran simultaneously on a cloudron server?

                          well in theory I guess it could as LXC containers are separate from what else is going on in the VPS

                          But I have a personal rule not to touch the Cloudron server other than through the Cloudron dashboard and the Cloudron CLI for custom apps. I don't log in to the VPS and don't do any maintenance on it. I just leave it all to Cloudron.

                          I use another VPS from SSDNODES for 'experiments' and 'self-self-hosted' apps.

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                          • timconsidineT timconsidine

                            @privsec

                            For LXC, can that be ran simultaneously on a cloudron server?

                            well in theory I guess it could as LXC containers are separate from what else is going on in the VPS

                            But I have a personal rule not to touch the Cloudron server other than through the Cloudron dashboard and the Cloudron CLI for custom apps. I don't log in to the VPS and don't do any maintenance on it. I just leave it all to Cloudron.

                            I use another VPS from SSDNODES for 'experiments' and 'self-self-hosted' apps.

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                            sorry to revive this conversation, @privsec and @timconsidine, but how powerful of a server do you need?

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                            • S subtlecourage

                              sorry to revive this conversation, @privsec and @timconsidine, but how powerful of a server do you need?

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                              @subtlecourage I don't think the project states minimum requirements.
                              it's not a doing a lot, just a small mongodb and some api polling
                              so I would guess a modest one
                              nor more than 8gb ram and probably 4gb ram would be enough
                              although that depends on what else is running on that VPS (remembering this app is in a container)

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                              • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                @subtlecourage I don't think the project states minimum requirements.
                                it's not a doing a lot, just a small mongodb and some api polling
                                so I would guess a modest one
                                nor more than 8gb ram and probably 4gb ram would be enough
                                although that depends on what else is running on that VPS (remembering this app is in a container)

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                                @timconsidine thanks for the fast reply.

                                Ok! Not a beefy one. I’m considering setting up these up for customers on an individual basis, and it seems a simple low tier server would be all that’s needed to run these.

                                Probably a server with 20gb ram for multi number/family use cases would be appropriate.

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                                  @timconsidine thanks for the fast reply.

                                  Ok! Not a beefy one. I’m considering setting up these up for customers on an individual basis, and it seems a simple low tier server would be all that’s needed to run these.

                                  Probably a server with 20gb ram for multi number/family use cases would be appropriate.

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                                  privsec
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                                  @subtlecourage that’s a neat idea, how would you offer support for that?

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                                  • S subtlecourage

                                    sorry to revive this conversation, @privsec and @timconsidine, but how powerful of a server do you need?

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                                    timconsidine
                                    App Dev
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                                    @subtlecourage here is the htop from the container

                                    Screenshot 2021-11-02 at 13.05.45.png
                                    Not much going on

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                                    • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                      It's also particularly useful for international usage.
                                      E.g. I am in Ukraine now, and it is exorbitant to send SMS back to the UK (inbound to me is free but replying is <ouch>, especially MMS if that is needed).
                                      I have used a virtual number service (Hushed) but it's not cheap either, and ties you to their number and renewing it.
                                      The Telnyx platform gives me outbound SMS for normal rates and cheap number rental. Even posisble to load up multiple numbers (one for sales, one for support, one for personal) without breaking the bank.
                                      [OK, it's not in my phone unlimited SMS package, but still much more affordable.]

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                                      @timconsidine said in SMS desktop app:

                                      virtual number service (Hushed) but it's not cheap

                                      Hushed is one sale at:
                                      https://www.groupon.com/deals/hushed-com-nat-2
                                      https://stacksocial.com/sales/hushed-private-phone-1-line-plan-1000-mins-6000-sms (I bought a Lifetime plan from StackSocial 5+ years ago)

                                      This last one is Hushed bundled with Keep Solid VPN Unlimited (I've been using both for 5+ years with good success):
                                      https://stacksocial.com/sales/the-lifetime-mobile-privacy-security-subscription-bundle-hushed

                                      I guess since it's been 5+ years you can count on the service to last, and not bait-and-switch after a year.

                                      A life lived in fear is a life half-lived

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                                      • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                        I was about to post this in AppWishlist but realised that the underlying app is still in beta, so too early for a Cloudron instance.

                                        However I think it can be of great interest to self-hosters.

                                        There are many commercial services where you can send SMS out and receive responses back in for customer support or marketing enquiries. An alternative channel to email and website chat channels, or social media channels. But the commercial services are not cheap, and you are tied to their numbers (lock in).

                                        So I was pleased to discover while doing OSINT research that there is a self-hosted system in development, to use virtual numbers from Telnyx (or Twilio).

                                        There is also a small privacy element that you can text in/out without a phone's location being tracked, if you want it for personal not commercial use.

                                        The self-hosting documentation is patchy, so I created my own HOW-TO : https://github.com/timconsidine/LXC-OperationPrivacy-VOIP

                                        It has the links to the underlying repo.

                                        Just in case it helps anyone here.

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                                        @timconsidine There is an SMS module in Odoo / Flectra, which might have some functionality you need. Odoo and Flectra are in the wishlist:

                                        https://www.odoo.com/app/sms-marketing

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                                        • L LoudLemur

                                          @timconsidine There is an SMS module in Odoo / Flectra, which might have some functionality you need. Odoo and Flectra are in the wishlist:

                                          https://www.odoo.com/app/sms-marketing

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                                          @loudlemur thanks, but I don't need oodo / flectra

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