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Talk App coming back after every restart

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  • jaschaezraJ Offline
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    jaschaezra
    wrote on last edited by
    #1

    I uninstalled the Talk app intentionally.

    After every restart, update, whatever it is back.
    Please provide a package without the talk app (and how to migrate to this one) or honor the decision that some people just do not want it.

    Thank you.

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    • nebulonN Offline
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      nebulon
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      #2

      Indeed the package ensures spreed aka talk to be installed so the package can configure the turn settings. If it gets manually uninstalled, then the package will reinstall it, however if you just disable it, then it will stay disabled.

      I guess we can revisit if it even makes sense to do all that talk and turn setup in the package for the user, instead we can just let the user do this manually if wanted.

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      • nebulonN nebulon

        Indeed the package ensures spreed aka talk to be installed so the package can configure the turn settings. If it gets manually uninstalled, then the package will reinstall it, however if you just disable it, then it will stay disabled.

        I guess we can revisit if it even makes sense to do all that talk and turn setup in the package for the user, instead we can just let the user do this manually if wanted.

        jdaviescoatesJ Offline
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        jdaviescoates
        wrote on last edited by
        #3

        @nebulon said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

        let the user do this manually if wanted.

        no thanks! 🙂

        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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        • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

          @nebulon said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

          let the user do this manually if wanted.

          no thanks! 🙂

          jaschaezraJ Offline
          jaschaezraJ Offline
          jaschaezra
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          @jdaviescoates said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

          @nebulon said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

          let the user do this manually if wanted.

          no thanks! 🙂

          Can we agree that different users have different needs? And maybe there is a way that "manual" is just "setting a tick" or something like this. I mean, it is only 32MB space, but 32 MB are 32MB 🤷

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          • jaschaezraJ jaschaezra

            @jdaviescoates said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

            @nebulon said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

            let the user do this manually if wanted.

            no thanks! 🙂

            Can we agree that different users have different needs? And maybe there is a way that "manual" is just "setting a tick" or something like this. I mean, it is only 32MB space, but 32 MB are 32MB 🤷

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            @jaschaezra said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

            Can we agree that different users have different needs?

            Of course but the main goal of Cloudron is to provide a hassle free out of the box experience for all users and apps (or parts of it like Talk in this case) need to be automatically configured to ensure that. Since you save enough just by using the cloudron base image, 32mb for a plugin is really negligible.

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            • jaschaezraJ jaschaezra

              @jdaviescoates said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

              @nebulon said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

              let the user do this manually if wanted.

              no thanks! 🙂

              Can we agree that different users have different needs? And maybe there is a way that "manual" is just "setting a tick" or something like this. I mean, it is only 32MB space, but 32 MB are 32MB 🤷

              jdaviescoatesJ Offline
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              @jaschaezra said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

              Can we agree that different users have different needs?

              Sure, was just expressing mine.

              And like @subven says a large part of the attraction of Cloudron is how much is automated.

              And 32mb really is rather negligible in this day and age. I'd bet you've likely more than that in files you don't want or need anymore but until you're running out of disk space it's barely worth the effort finding and deleting them.

              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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              • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                @jaschaezra said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

                Can we agree that different users have different needs?

                Sure, was just expressing mine.

                And like @subven says a large part of the attraction of Cloudron is how much is automated.

                And 32mb really is rather negligible in this day and age. I'd bet you've likely more than that in files you don't want or need anymore but until you're running out of disk space it's barely worth the effort finding and deleting them.

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                jaschaezra
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                @jdaviescoates said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

                disk space it's barely worth the effort finding and deleting them.

                en contraire - I am a deleter. I delete stuff I do not need any more. I love deleting things. I love deleting E-mails not younger than 5 years (January is my "clean the mailbox"-months), I love deleting old backups and most thing I love is having a nearly empty disc. Had been a file hoarder for too many years and since 6 years I delete what can be deleted. I used to have 34 GB of Mail, now I have rarely 1 GB. I used to have files just downloaded then searching for it on my hard drive. Nah, I have 250 GB space on my hard drive and 30 GB is taken by some Games. My server has some more (and backup server as well) but I why keep stuff I do not need?

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                • jaschaezraJ jaschaezra

                  @jdaviescoates said in Talk App coming back after every restart:

                  disk space it's barely worth the effort finding and deleting them.

                  en contraire - I am a deleter. I delete stuff I do not need any more. I love deleting things. I love deleting E-mails not younger than 5 years (January is my "clean the mailbox"-months), I love deleting old backups and most thing I love is having a nearly empty disc. Had been a file hoarder for too many years and since 6 years I delete what can be deleted. I used to have 34 GB of Mail, now I have rarely 1 GB. I used to have files just downloaded then searching for it on my hard drive. Nah, I have 250 GB space on my hard drive and 30 GB is taken by some Games. My server has some more (and backup server as well) but I why keep stuff I do not need?

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                  jdaviescoates
                  wrote on last edited by
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                  @jaschaezra I stand corrected 🙂

                  I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                  • nebulonN nebulon

                    Indeed the package ensures spreed aka talk to be installed so the package can configure the turn settings. If it gets manually uninstalled, then the package will reinstall it, however if you just disable it, then it will stay disabled.

                    I guess we can revisit if it even makes sense to do all that talk and turn setup in the package for the user, instead we can just let the user do this manually if wanted.

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                    andreasdueren
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                    @nebulon I would love this Option. The built in TURN/STUN servers are not working reliably for me so I'm using the ones of my High Performance Backend And I need to manually reconfigure them EVERY TIME THE APP REBOOTS or get reminded of it when yet another fails because of conection issues

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                      I have fixed the package so that it doesn't reinstall or reenable spreed (talk) post installation.

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                      • girishG girish

                        I have fixed the package so that it doesn't reinstall or reenable spreed (talk) post installation.

                        jaschaezraJ Offline
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                        jaschaezra
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #11

                        @girish Thank you! 😍

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                        • girishG girish

                          I have fixed the package so that it doesn't reinstall or reenable spreed (talk) post installation.

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                          andreasdueren
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                          @girish Great, thank you! Could you now please also disable the automatic reconfiguration 😬

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                          • andreasduerenA andreasdueren

                            @girish Great, thank you! Could you now please also disable the automatic reconfiguration 😬

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                            @andreasdueren you mean that it configures it to use the internal turn server all the time?

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                            • girishG girish

                              @andreasdueren you mean that it configures it to use the internal turn server all the time?

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                              @girish Yes, even though I understand the reasoning behind it, it just completely messes with my setup

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                              • andreasduerenA andreasdueren

                                @girish Yes, even though I understand the reasoning behind it, it just completely messes with my setup

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                                subven
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                                @girish was there a way to add something to the start script of an app? I guess it was possible for LAMP. With the option to adjust the start script you could set your own variables (for TALK) instead of the ones that come as default with the package.

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                                  @andreasdueren @subven I will add it to 7.4 list. I think we have two options:

                                  • Like for email, we can add a optional flag to manifest. When set in manifest, Cloudron will leave the turn configuration alone.

                                  • Alternately, we do this globally somewhere under services where the internal turn server can be disabled and some external URL can be set.

                                  Most likely we can implement the first option since it's a bit more flexible (as it's per app).

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                                  • girishG girish

                                    @andreasdueren @subven I will add it to 7.4 list. I think we have two options:

                                    • Like for email, we can add a optional flag to manifest. When set in manifest, Cloudron will leave the turn configuration alone.

                                    • Alternately, we do this globally somewhere under services where the internal turn server can be disabled and some external URL can be set.

                                    Most likely we can implement the first option since it's a bit more flexible (as it's per app).

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                                    @girish yay!

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