Zulip - Powerful open source group chat
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@scooke There is a relatively new (and strange) restriction on "open source" community edition rocketchat: only 25 users. Sessions are restricted, too.
@LoudLemur I tried RocketChat once; I think I liked the layout and functions, but it was ssslllooowwww, compared to Mattermost and Matrix/Element. But what I've seen, and tried, with Zulip really makes me want to use it!
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I agree Zulip would really be a great addition. Best out of all of them.
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So I too would love to see Zulip supported on Cloudron. So much so, that I considered tackling this myself (with the help of one of my programmers). As a prelude, I asked my favorite AI tool to perform an assessment on the difficulty of packaging Zulip for Cloudron. What came back shocked me. Zulip is non-trivial to package, and even more non-trivial to maintain. Here are the details: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/on-a-scale-of-1-to-10-with-10-0nrnZisTRb28m6FIXyHycA#0
I would welcome some comments from the Cloudron team on this assessment and if correct, whether this is something possible to for the team to tackle? My (disappointed) gut says "no"...
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So I too would love to see Zulip supported on Cloudron. So much so, that I considered tackling this myself (with the help of one of my programmers). As a prelude, I asked my favorite AI tool to perform an assessment on the difficulty of packaging Zulip for Cloudron. What came back shocked me. Zulip is non-trivial to package, and even more non-trivial to maintain. Here are the details: https://www.perplexity.ai/search/on-a-scale-of-1-to-10-with-10-0nrnZisTRb28m6FIXyHycA#0
I would welcome some comments from the Cloudron team on this assessment and if correct, whether this is something possible to for the team to tackle? My (disappointed) gut says "no"...
@crazybrad my AI says (edited for brevity) :
Based on the complexity of Zulip and the requirements of Cloudron packaging, I'd rate this a 7 or 8 out of 10 in terms of difficulty.
For someone familiar with both Cloudron packaging and Docker, this could take 40-80 hours of work, depending on how smoothly the integration goes.
So maybe a bit more optimistic but certainly a non-trivial project.
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@timconsidine Appreciate the expert opinion. This has certainly opened my eyes about why some apps might "make the cut" and be added to the platform, and why others might not. I think what concerned me the most is the frequent updates and non-trivial data migrations. This might be a case where paying for Zulip Cloud is the smartest option.
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@timconsidine Appreciate the expert opinion. This has certainly opened my eyes about why some apps might "make the cut" and be added to the platform, and why others might not. I think what concerned me the most is the frequent updates and non-trivial data migrations. This might be a case where paying for Zulip Cloud is the smartest option.
@crazybrad a group buy might make that trivially affordable for the individuals.
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@timconsidine Appreciate the expert opinion. This has certainly opened my eyes about why some apps might "make the cut" and be added to the platform, and why others might not. I think what concerned me the most is the frequent updates and non-trivial data migrations. This might be a case where paying for Zulip Cloud is the smartest option.
@crazybrad said in Zulip - Powerful open source group chat:
@timconsidine Appreciate the expert opinion. This has certainly opened my eyes about why some apps might "make the cut" and be added to the platform, and why others might not. I think what concerned me the most is the frequent updates and non-trivial data migrations. This might be a case where paying for Zulip Cloud is the smartest option.
What non-trivial data migrations are we talking about?
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@timconsidine As part of maintenance, there are database migrations that are part of the update process. The more complex the update process, the more likely there will be issues.
