CCAI : Cloudron Custom App Installer
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@timconsidine I left a note at https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/14976/what-s-coming-in-9.1/11 about how we plan to implement this. I don't have a timeline for 9.1 but given the build up all your apps, we are trying to get this out asap!
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@timconsidine I left a note at https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/14976/what-s-coming-in-9.1/11 about how we plan to implement this. I don't have a timeline for 9.1 but given the build up all your apps, we are trying to get this out asap!
@girish thank you - very helpful - still digesting it.
Hoping to get my final "end of life" changes done today, which can allow CCAI-P to limp on until Cloudron in-platform functionality is tested, then turn the CCAI and CAG websites into digital tombstones.
No need for any rush - always happy for you to take your time to do a proper job (unlike my hashed together PoC).
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House-keeping :
- Cloudron have announced they will introduce support "in-platform" for custom app deployments
- consequently CCAI (the open hosted-as-a-service version) can no longer be installed from CCAI. (It can be installed manually if really needed but I don't really see why anyone would want to).
- CCAI-P (the personal edition which stores auth creds locally in app) can no longer be installed from CCAI : if you want CCAI-P, use the new https://customappgateway.appx.uk distribution point
- CCAI-P has been cleaned of legacy auth timeouts (inherited from original CCAI) so runtime gremlins should not occur. There is still a manual logout and connect option, in case the user wants to do so manually. Otherwise it should remain 'ready to go' without timeouts.
Improvements :
- both CCAI and CCAI-P still focus on new installations, and there is no support for updating an existing custom app. I am working on introducing support for updates.
The Future :
- with Cloudron's announcement that their v9.1 release will include some support for in-platform deployment of custom apps, "the writing is clearly on the wall" and CCAI / CCAI-P / CustomAppGateway will die and git repos / docker images will be removed at some point.
- I doubt anyone is more pleased than me !
- however we do not know the timescales for Cloudron 9.1 (other big stuff in it too), so I will continue to make available CCAI / CCAI-P until some point after Cloudron 9.1 is stable.
@timconsidine The gui on your new customappgateway.appx.uk is gorgeous!
- Cloudron have announced they will introduce support "in-platform" for custom app deployments
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deleted my old ccai app and used the new bash thing. I logged in via SSH and typed the command there. It's been going for... 20 mins now? How long is it supposed to take?
Restarted the server and tried the Windows installer instead. It worked perfectly without the https:// part for the cloudron domain link.
@timconsidine new ccai-p is installed now but it won't sync the new library. I entered the token + link in the config and restarted the app. I re-logged in ccai-p as well. No dice.
here's the error log when trying to install an app. hth.
[9:18:21 AM] Repository URL provided: https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw [9:18:21 AM] Server will auto-detect default branch and construct manifest URL [9:18:21 AM] Starting installation process... [9:18:21 AM] Installation started. Streaming logs... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:11:37] Verifying Cloudron credentials... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:11:37] Credentials verified successfully [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Cleaning up any existing installer directory... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Creating temporary directory for installation files... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Repository URL provided: https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Server will auto-detect default branch and construct manifest URL [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Trying https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/CloudronManifest.json [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] CloudronManifest.json downloaded successfully [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Fetching asset logo.png from https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/logo.png [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:22] Fetching postInstallMessage file POSTINSTALL.md from https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/POSTINSTALL.md [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:22] postInstallMessage download failed for POSTINSTALL.md: HTTP 404 [9:18:23 AM] ERROR: Installation failed. Check the logs for details. -
deleted my old ccai app and used the new bash thing. I logged in via SSH and typed the command there. It's been going for... 20 mins now? How long is it supposed to take?
Restarted the server and tried the Windows installer instead. It worked perfectly without the https:// part for the cloudron domain link.
@timconsidine new ccai-p is installed now but it won't sync the new library. I entered the token + link in the config and restarted the app. I re-logged in ccai-p as well. No dice.
here's the error log when trying to install an app. hth.
[9:18:21 AM] Repository URL provided: https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw [9:18:21 AM] Server will auto-detect default branch and construct manifest URL [9:18:21 AM] Starting installation process... [9:18:21 AM] Installation started. Streaming logs... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:11:37] Verifying Cloudron credentials... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:11:37] Credentials verified successfully [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Cleaning up any existing installer directory... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Creating temporary directory for installation files... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Repository URL provided: https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Server will auto-detect default branch and construct manifest URL [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Trying https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/CloudronManifest.json [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] CloudronManifest.json downloaded successfully [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Fetching asset logo.png from https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/logo.png [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:22] Fetching postInstallMessage file POSTINSTALL.md from https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/POSTINSTALL.md [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:22] postInstallMessage download failed for POSTINSTALL.md: HTTP 404 [9:18:23 AM] ERROR: Installation failed. Check the logs for details.@humptydumpty sorry about your experience - heavy updates and and changed locations - mid-process of going live - almost done now - you might be running into the ecosystem update process.
I will update you when finished. Hopefully not long now
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Attempting to be concise, I have completed changes to the CCAI environment.
CCAI
- original "hosted-as-a-service" ccai.appx.uk is now disabled and now a placeholder to avoid broken forum links
- new "entry point" is customappgateway.appx.uk
CustomAppGateway
- previously just an installer for CCAI-P, via browser or binary
- deliberate web UI change to create distance from old system/concept
- no more browser-based installations involving submission of creds in a browser
- only supported deploy route is an installer script using a binary (Mac, Linux, Windows as needed), which cleans up by removing the binary on completion
- now can install not just CCAI-P but other custom apps
- custom apps master catalogue now lives in customappgateway
- recommended to install CCAI-P and then install apps from there to enable updates
- but there is also an option to install a single custom app from customappgateway, for those who don't want CCAI-P and don't care about updates
- I re-factored the installer binary to be available for use by others - driven by run-time arguments, no custom app meta-data baked into the installer : see customappgateway.appx.uk Advanced section
CCAI-P
- CCAI-P now supports updates to installed custom apps ... providing they were installed using the new CCAI-P version (uses local 'installed.json' to know what to check)
- Master App Catalogue now maintained (only) by me - I will attempt to keep populated & updated, but let me know if something needs adding or changing - happy to do so
- CCAI-P now supports a Local Catalogue, maintainable by you ! Independence, privacy, experimentation - whatever !
- CCAI-P app update checking and processing is not fully checked (I haven't got any apps to update and I haven't invested time in faking a test). Let me know if any issues. Will try to do some real or fake testing.
Given Cloudron 9.1 upcoming support for custom apps, I am not planning any further major changes, just fixing any reported issues.
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deleted my old ccai app and used the new bash thing. I logged in via SSH and typed the command there. It's been going for... 20 mins now? How long is it supposed to take?
Restarted the server and tried the Windows installer instead. It worked perfectly without the https:// part for the cloudron domain link.
@timconsidine new ccai-p is installed now but it won't sync the new library. I entered the token + link in the config and restarted the app. I re-logged in ccai-p as well. No dice.
here's the error log when trying to install an app. hth.
[9:18:21 AM] Repository URL provided: https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw [9:18:21 AM] Server will auto-detect default branch and construct manifest URL [9:18:21 AM] Starting installation process... [9:18:21 AM] Installation started. Streaming logs... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:11:37] Verifying Cloudron credentials... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:11:37] Credentials verified successfully [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Cleaning up any existing installer directory... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Creating temporary directory for installation files... [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Repository URL provided: https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Server will auto-detect default branch and construct manifest URL [9:18:21 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Trying https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/CloudronManifest.json [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] CloudronManifest.json downloaded successfully [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:21] Fetching asset logo.png from https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/logo.png [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:22] Fetching postInstallMessage file POSTINSTALL.md from https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/POSTINSTALL.md [9:18:23 AM] [2026-02-05 15:18:22] postInstallMessage download failed for POSTINSTALL.md: HTTP 404 [9:18:23 AM] ERROR: Installation failed. Check the logs for details.@humptydumpty I finished the upgrade !
Apologies again that you got caught up in the middle of itIndie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS
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@humptydumpty I finished the upgrade !
Apologies again that you got caught up in the middle of it@timconsidine I can't help with code, but more than happy to help with testing!
- I reinstalled CCAI-P via the Windows.exe installer and that went smoothly.
- I reinstalled Zoneminder via the new CCAI-P and that also went smoothly.
- Attempted to install Excalidraw but that didn't work (I logged out in CCAI, restarted app, and clicked on start-over). Here's the log from the CCAI page.
[12:51:13 PM] Repository URL provided: https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw [12:51:13 PM] Server will auto-detect default branch and construct manifest URL [12:51:13 PM] Starting installation process... [12:51:13 PM] Installation started. Streaming logs... [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Cleaning up any existing installer directory... [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Creating temporary directory for installation files... [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Repository URL provided: https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Server will auto-detect default branch and construct manifest URL [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Trying https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/CloudronManifest.json (Attempt 1/3) [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] DEBUG: Starting download for https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/CloudronManifest.json [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] CloudronManifest.json downloaded successfully [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Fetching asset logo.png from https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/logo.png [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] DEBUG: Starting download for https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/logo.png [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Fetching postInstallMessage file POSTINSTALL.md from https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/POSTINSTALL.md [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] DEBUG: Starting download for https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/POSTINSTALL.md [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] postInstallMessage download failed for POSTINSTALL.md: HTTP 404 [12:51:16 PM] ERROR: Installation failed: Unknown error -
@timconsidine I can't help with code, but more than happy to help with testing!
- I reinstalled CCAI-P via the Windows.exe installer and that went smoothly.
- I reinstalled Zoneminder via the new CCAI-P and that also went smoothly.
- Attempted to install Excalidraw but that didn't work (I logged out in CCAI, restarted app, and clicked on start-over). Here's the log from the CCAI page.
[12:51:13 PM] Repository URL provided: https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw [12:51:13 PM] Server will auto-detect default branch and construct manifest URL [12:51:13 PM] Starting installation process... [12:51:13 PM] Installation started. Streaming logs... [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Cleaning up any existing installer directory... [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Creating temporary directory for installation files... [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Repository URL provided: https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Server will auto-detect default branch and construct manifest URL [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Trying https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/CloudronManifest.json (Attempt 1/3) [12:51:13 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] DEBUG: Starting download for https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/CloudronManifest.json [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] CloudronManifest.json downloaded successfully [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Fetching asset logo.png from https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/logo.png [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] DEBUG: Starting download for https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/logo.png [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] Fetching postInstallMessage file POSTINSTALL.md from https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/POSTINSTALL.md [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] DEBUG: Starting download for https://git.cloudron.io/timconsidine/cloudron-excalidraw/-/raw/main/POSTINSTALL.md [12:51:16 PM] [2026-02-05 18:51:14] postInstallMessage download failed for POSTINSTALL.md: HTTP 404 [12:51:16 PM] ERROR: Installation failed: Unknown error@humptydumpty let me try it here ....
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Fixed the issues reported by @humptydumpty
Going to test installation of every app in catalogue, which will take a little time, feel free to report any issues you find.
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Pushed couple more fixes, continuing to test installation of every app
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I can confirm all reported bugs are fixed! Thanks Tim!
