AppFlowy
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This far-sighted request for App Flowy was made by @marcusquinn years ago and there has been tons of development made since then. Lets try and support AppFlowy on Cloudron:
https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/AppFlowy/compare/0.0.1...0.10.0
via Arya ai:
Since its release, AppFlowy has strategically positioned itself as a powerful, open-source alternative to Notion, appealing to a specific and growing segment of users.
Primary Reasons for Choosing AppFlowy Over Notion
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Data Ownership and Privacy: This is AppFlowy’s strongest selling point. Unlike Notion, which stores all user data on its own servers, AppFlowy is self-hostable. Users can choose to run it entirely locally on their machine or on their own private server. This means you truly own your data, a critical factor for businesses handling sensitive information, developers, and privacy-conscious individuals who are wary of vendor lock-in and third-party data access.
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Open-Source Nature: Being open-source (licensed under AGPLv3 and a commercial license) provides transparency, community-driven development, and freedom from the feature roadmap of a single corporation. Developers can audit the code for security, contribute to its development, and create custom extensions. This fosters a level of trust and flexibility that closed-source SaaS platforms like Notion cannot offer.
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Offline-First Functionality: AppFlowy is designed from the ground up to work seamlessly offline. All changes are saved locally instantly and synced to the cloud only when you configure it to do so. This provides a faster, more reliable user experience without the constant latency of web requests, a common frustration with Notion’s web-based architecture.
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Customization and Extensibility: The open-source model allows for deep customization. Users are not limited to the templates and blocks Notion provides. The community can (and has) built custom plugins, widgets, and integrations tailored to highly specific workflows, something that would require official support within Notion’s walled garden.
Key Advances and New Features (Post-November 2021)
Since its initial launch, AppFlowy has evolved from a promising prototype into a robust productivity platform. Its main advancements include:
- Robust Self-Hosting & Sync: The development of AppFlowy Cloud (as an optional service) and the ability to self-host a sync server using Docker. This provides a flexible sync solution that mimics Notion’s convenience but on infrastructure you control.
- Expanded Database & View Capabilities: Steady implementation of core database features, including multiple view types (Kanban, Calendar, Grid), advanced filtering and sorting, and formula support, bringing it closer to parity with Notion’s powerful database functionalities.
- Plugin System & AI Integration: A major leap forward has been the development of an API and plugin system. This has allowed for the integration of AI tools, most notably through official and community-made plugins. Users can now leverage AI (like OpenAI’s models) directly within their AppFlowy workspace to generate content, summarize text, and more, all while keeping their data private if self-hosted.
- Mobile Applications: The release of increasingly stable and feature-rich iOS and Android applications, which was a critical gap in its early days. This has made it a truly multi-platform contender.
- User Interface Refinements: Continuous UI/UX improvements, including a more polished design, slash commands, block-based editing, and customizable layouts, making it not just a powerful tool but also a pleasant one to use daily.
@LoudLemur Already seeing reports of Notion's AI being used to hack and discover private data.
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AppFlowy would be really awesome on cloudron. Waiting for it to be added to the Cloudron App Store for years now. I hope it is gonna come soon.
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Did anyone actually start or finish a package for AppFlowy ?
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I've started an attempt to build AppFlowy Cloud for Cloudron. However there is a big blocker which I am investigating.
Appflowy Cloud is tightly tied to GoTrue (Supabase Auth). This is very difficult to package, and blocks admin user creation and login when building outside of a docker compose environment. The problem has been reported as an issue, so the upstream devs are aware, but have stated they currently have no plans to accommodate any approach other than use of GoTrue.
I am investigating resolutions/workarounds, but my honest opinion is that that this could take time, and may not be resolvable. So AppFlowy will not be appearing as a Cloudron for a while, from me anyway.
Just thought all those clamouring for it should be aware this is a non-trivial problem, needing time to address.
Indie app dev, scratching my itches, lover of Cloudron PaaS
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I've started an attempt to build AppFlowy Cloud for Cloudron. However there is a big blocker which I am investigating.
Appflowy Cloud is tightly tied to GoTrue (Supabase Auth). This is very difficult to package, and blocks admin user creation and login when building outside of a docker compose environment. The problem has been reported as an issue, so the upstream devs are aware, but have stated they currently have no plans to accommodate any approach other than use of GoTrue.
I am investigating resolutions/workarounds, but my honest opinion is that that this could take time, and may not be resolvable. So AppFlowy will not be appearing as a Cloudron for a while, from me anyway.
Just thought all those clamouring for it should be aware this is a non-trivial problem, needing time to address.
@timconsidine is GoTrue packagable or part of the Supabase cloud?
There is always a way to emulate an API and that's likely what this Auth API is..
So depending on what it closely resembles an Auth proxy could be made that remaps all calls to GoTrue to any other Auth source. Cloudron OIDC, NocoDB, etc.
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@timconsidine is GoTrue packagable or part of the Supabase cloud?
There is always a way to emulate an API and that's likely what this Auth API is..
So depending on what it closely resembles an Auth proxy could be made that remaps all calls to GoTrue to any other Auth source. Cloudron OIDC, NocoDB, etc.
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packaging update :
- overcame login issues
- working on subsequent launch gremlins
Thanks for your patience : more time needed
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packaging update :
- basic functionality working
- further testing needed
Will share package and deployment instructions when proven stable.
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- https://www.appflowy.io/
- https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/appflowy
- https://trello.com/b/NCyXCXXh/appflowy-roadmap
- https://twitter.com/appflowy
- https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/quyt3x/appflowy_is_an_opensource_alternative_to_notion/
- https://github.com/AppFlowy-IO/appflowy/issues/13
Another FOSS Notion alternative. Built with Flutter & Rust.
EDIT: Updated the screenshots
AppFlowy is an amazing app, I've previously hosted it through YunoHost, but now need to run it a bit more profesionally, and would therefore love it if the Cloudron team added official support for it!
I suspect it's the kind of tool a lot of people on here is looking for
With Regards
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@timconsidine does the pricing at https://appflowy.com/pricing mean that it is 10/user/month for selfhosted?
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@timconsidine does the pricing at https://appflowy.com/pricing mean that it is 10/user/month for selfhosted?
@Joseph I find their docs not 100% clear, but my memory from my checking previously is that there are no charges for self-hosted. Feel free to challenge this understanding.
They put their pricing info right next to self-hosted, so it is not 100% clear at first reading.
I will need to dig out the checks (or do them again) but I proceeded with packaging on the basis that there are no charges for self-hosted.
I parked my packaging of AppFlowy because shinier prettier toys like CustomAppGAteway, Windmill etc were pulling me there. But I plan to finish off AppFlowy and will check this point again.
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@timconsidine thanks for updating. On the pricing page, yeah, it says just 1 user allowed. Otherwise, 10/user/month.
