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NetBird - FOSS noconf Mesh VPN using Wireguard, alternative to ZeroTier, Tailscale, OmniEdge, Netmaker etc

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  • marcusquinnM
    marcusquinnM
    marcusquinn
    wrote on last edited by
    #13

    Related: https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/15109/tls-passthrough-option-for-apps-requiring-end-to-end-tls

    Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
    Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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    • timconsidineT
      timconsidineT
      timconsidine
      App Dev
      wrote on last edited by
      #14

      Testing on a real Cloudron instance (I haven't done this yet -- the packaging is based on docs and the combined container architecture)

      I don't know how this is possible - I always need to do multiple builds to get a working package.

      I started building from @marcusquinn repo.
      I needed to make some changes. Currently app builds and installs but have hit a circular dependency ("Catch-22") regarding authentication.

      The Goal: Configure NetBird to use Cloudron's OIDC service as its Identity Provider.

      The Problem:

      1. Configuration requires Login: To add Cloudron OIDC as an IdP, I need to log in to the NetBird dashboard (or use the API, which requires a token).
      2. Initial Login requires Embedded Dex: Since Cloudron OIDC isn't configured yet, I must use the embedded Dex IdP for the first login.
      3. Embedded Dex Fails: The embedded IdP is configured strictly according to the "combined server" docs (v0.36+). The dashboard loads, redirects to the embedded auth flow, but fails at the final step:
        • POST /oauth2/token returns 401 Unauthorized .
        • Browser console shows: storage[oidc.login.default] is empty and Token request failed .
        • Logs show no specific server-side error, just the 401.

      The Catch-22: I cannot log in (via embedded Dex) to configure the external IdP (Cloudron OIDC). I cannot configure the external IdP via files/env vars to bypass the broken embedded login.

      I will try a hack to get past this.

      Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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      • timconsidineT
        timconsidineT
        timconsidine
        App Dev
        wrote on last edited by
        #15

        Starting again, fresh start.
        Will update.

        Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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        • timconsidineT
          timconsidineT
          timconsidine
          App Dev
          wrote on last edited by
          #16

          Parking this for now - can't get past auth errors, even stripping out any OIDC and just using the embedded Dex user management.
          Will resume at some point because Netbird is very cool, works well for me via separately-hosted docker compose, and would be good to have on Cloudron.
          But other priorities push Netbird down the list.

          Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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          • timconsidineT timconsidine

            Parking this for now - can't get past auth errors, even stripping out any OIDC and just using the embedded Dex user management.
            Will resume at some point because Netbird is very cool, works well for me via separately-hosted docker compose, and would be good to have on Cloudron.
            But other priorities push Netbird down the list.

            marcusquinnM
            marcusquinnM
            marcusquinn
            wrote on last edited by
            #17

            @timconsidine thanks for testing. Refactored so OICD is an optional extra, plus other changes to the whole approach. README should explain.

            Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
            Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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            • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

              @timconsidine thanks for testing. Refactored so OICD is an optional extra, plus other changes to the whole approach. README should explain.

              timconsidineT
              timconsidineT
              timconsidine
              App Dev
              wrote on last edited by
              #18

              @marcusquinn I tried similar approach - simplify to just Netbird and embedded Dex. But that wasn't enough.
              Will try again shortly with fresh brain.

              Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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              • marcusquinnM
                marcusquinnM
                marcusquinn
                wrote on last edited by
                #19

                Added as a community app here:

                • https://ca.cloudron.io/app/netbird

                Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                • sponchS
                  sponchS
                  sponch
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #20

                  very cool. Just installed but do not get to the initial admin dashboard to make the admin account (neither with the installed URL Netbird.xyz.com nor with Netbird.xyz.coom/peers.
                  instead I get an error (There was an error logging you in.
                  Error: Unauthenticated).

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                  • sponchS sponch

                    very cool. Just installed but do not get to the initial admin dashboard to make the admin account (neither with the installed URL Netbird.xyz.com nor with Netbird.xyz.coom/peers.
                    instead I get an error (There was an error logging you in.
                    Error: Unauthenticated).

                    sponchS
                    sponchS
                    sponch
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #21

                    @marcusquinn just saw that the stun port is already reserved an so not being used by netbird. Changing the port number doesn't help as the app doesn't keep it and deactivates it again after restarting the container.

                    (is there a way to find out which app uses that port in Cloudron? couldn't find it)

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                    • sponchS sponch

                      @marcusquinn just saw that the stun port is already reserved an so not being used by netbird. Changing the port number doesn't help as the app doesn't keep it and deactivates it again after restarting the container.

                      (is there a way to find out which app uses that port in Cloudron? couldn't find it)

                      marcusquinnM
                      marcusquinnM
                      marcusquinn
                      wrote on last edited by marcusquinn
                      #22

                      @sponch Can you post issues to the github repo and any relevant info, please? My systems will pick them up, review, and patch. Sorry, I can maintain it, but rely on other user feedback in case there's things my setup solved but don't work yet for others.

                      If I can recommend a look, too, at my main ai harness invention: https://aidevops.sh, because it's really good at diagnosing issues and logging them to the git repo for then solving.

                      Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                      Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                      • timconsidineT
                        timconsidineT
                        timconsidine
                        App Dev
                        wrote last edited by
                        #23

                        @marcusquinn I logged an issue - can't get it installed - might be a simple fix (detailed in issue).

                        Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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                        • timconsidineT timconsidine

                          @marcusquinn I logged an issue - can't get it installed - might be a simple fix (detailed in issue).

                          marcusquinnM
                          marcusquinnM
                          marcusquinn
                          wrote last edited by
                          #24

                          @timconsidine sorry, forgot to star my own repo to get notifications — looking now — should be a quick fix & release with you soon...

                          Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                          Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                          • timconsidineT timconsidine

                            @marcusquinn I logged an issue - can't get it installed - might be a simple fix (detailed in issue).

                            marcusquinnM
                            marcusquinnM
                            marcusquinn
                            wrote last edited by
                            #25

                            @timconsidine latest release should work. Let me know if now. I'll get notifications for any new issues now.

                            Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                            Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                            • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                              @timconsidine latest release should work. Let me know if now. I'll get notifications for any new issues now.

                              timconsidineT
                              timconsidineT
                              timconsidine
                              App Dev
                              wrote last edited by
                              #26

                              @marcusquinn thank you for checking and resolving

                              Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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                              • sponchS
                                sponchS
                                sponch
                                wrote last edited by sponch
                                #27

                                @marcusquinn still not working here.
                                CleanShot 2026-09-11 at 12.34.13@2x.png No possibility to create an account via Dashboard on initial start. Also had to change stun port because default is already in use here.

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                                • sponchS sponch

                                  @marcusquinn still not working here.
                                  CleanShot 2026-09-11 at 12.34.13@2x.png No possibility to create an account via Dashboard on initial start. Also had to change stun port because default is already in use here.

                                  marcusquinnM
                                  marcusquinnM
                                  marcusquinn
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #28

                                  @sponch Can you try again from the latest release, please?

                                  Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                                  Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                                  • timconsidineT
                                    timconsidineT
                                    timconsidine
                                    App Dev
                                    wrote last edited by timconsidine
                                    #29

                                    I got the same as @sponch did earlier.
                                    Getting the same after the latest version.

                                    Also FYI UDP port 3478 cannot be used (reserved).
                                    Ticking the STUN NAT Traversal box and setting and saving 3479 superficially works, but on going back to 'Location' in app portal, 3479 has not been saved, it's reverted to 3478 and the tick box to enable custom port has been unticked.

                                    I don't think the app CloudronManifest.json is using the cloudron turn addon, which might (not sure) allow port 3478 to be used.

                                    Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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                                    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                      @sponch Can you try again from the latest release, please?

                                      sponchS
                                      sponchS
                                      sponch
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #30

                                      @marcusquinn hey, its working now thanks! Do you think it's possible to include the proxy cluster in the installation? it's quite a pain to install that afterwards 😰

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                                      • timconsidineT
                                        timconsidineT
                                        timconsidine
                                        App Dev
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #31

                                        @sponch said it worked so I went back, dug deeper, my browser cache was the culprit
                                        So yes, management app incl login working.
                                        Thank you @marcusquinn

                                        I can't get a peer connected using netbird up -m https://netbird.domain.tld:443 -k <app_generated_secret_key>

                                        Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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                                        • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                          @sponch said it worked so I went back, dug deeper, my browser cache was the culprit
                                          So yes, management app incl login working.
                                          Thank you @marcusquinn

                                          I can't get a peer connected using netbird up -m https://netbird.domain.tld:443 -k <app_generated_secret_key>

                                          sponchS
                                          sponchS
                                          sponch
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #32

                                          @timconsidine should it not be
                                          netbird up --management-url https://netbird.xxx.tld --setup-key xxx

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