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NetBird - FOSS noconf Mesh VPN using Wireguard, alternative to ZeroTier, Tailscale, OmniEdge, Netmaker etc

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  • timconsidineT timconsidine

    Parking this for now - can't get past auth errors, even stripping out any OIDC and just using the embedded Dex user management.
    Will resume at some point because Netbird is very cool, works well for me via separately-hosted docker compose, and would be good to have on Cloudron.
    But other priorities push Netbird down the list.

    marcusquinnM
    marcusquinnM
    marcusquinn
    wrote on last edited by
    #17

    @timconsidine thanks for testing. Refactored so OICD is an optional extra, plus other changes to the whole approach. README should explain.

    Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
    Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

      @timconsidine thanks for testing. Refactored so OICD is an optional extra, plus other changes to the whole approach. README should explain.

      timconsidineT
      timconsidineT
      timconsidine
      App Dev
      wrote on last edited by
      #18

      @marcusquinn I tried similar approach - simplify to just Netbird and embedded Dex. But that wasn't enough.
      Will try again shortly with fresh brain.

      Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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      • marcusquinnM
        marcusquinnM
        marcusquinn
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        #19

        Added as a community app here:

        • https://ca.cloudron.io/app/netbird

        Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
        Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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        • sponchS
          sponchS
          sponch
          wrote on last edited by
          #20

          very cool. Just installed but do not get to the initial admin dashboard to make the admin account (neither with the installed URL Netbird.xyz.com nor with Netbird.xyz.coom/peers.
          instead I get an error (There was an error logging you in.
          Error: Unauthenticated).

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          • sponchS sponch

            very cool. Just installed but do not get to the initial admin dashboard to make the admin account (neither with the installed URL Netbird.xyz.com nor with Netbird.xyz.coom/peers.
            instead I get an error (There was an error logging you in.
            Error: Unauthenticated).

            sponchS
            sponchS
            sponch
            wrote on last edited by
            #21

            @marcusquinn just saw that the stun port is already reserved an so not being used by netbird. Changing the port number doesn't help as the app doesn't keep it and deactivates it again after restarting the container.

            (is there a way to find out which app uses that port in Cloudron? couldn't find it)

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            • sponchS sponch

              @marcusquinn just saw that the stun port is already reserved an so not being used by netbird. Changing the port number doesn't help as the app doesn't keep it and deactivates it again after restarting the container.

              (is there a way to find out which app uses that port in Cloudron? couldn't find it)

              marcusquinnM
              marcusquinnM
              marcusquinn
              wrote on last edited by marcusquinn
              #22

              @sponch Can you post issues to the github repo and any relevant info, please? My systems will pick them up, review, and patch. Sorry, I can maintain it, but rely on other user feedback in case there's things my setup solved but don't work yet for others.

              If I can recommend a look, too, at my main ai harness invention: https://aidevops.sh, because it's really good at diagnosing issues and logging them to the git repo for then solving.

              Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
              Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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              • timconsidineT
                timconsidineT
                timconsidine
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                wrote last edited by
                #23

                @marcusquinn I logged an issue - can't get it installed - might be a simple fix (detailed in issue).

                Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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                • timconsidineT timconsidine

                  @marcusquinn I logged an issue - can't get it installed - might be a simple fix (detailed in issue).

                  marcusquinnM
                  marcusquinnM
                  marcusquinn
                  wrote last edited by
                  #24

                  @timconsidine sorry, forgot to star my own repo to get notifications — looking now — should be a quick fix & release with you soon...

                  Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                  Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                  • timconsidineT timconsidine

                    @marcusquinn I logged an issue - can't get it installed - might be a simple fix (detailed in issue).

                    marcusquinnM
                    marcusquinnM
                    marcusquinn
                    wrote last edited by
                    #25

                    @timconsidine latest release should work. Let me know if now. I'll get notifications for any new issues now.

                    Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                    Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                      @timconsidine latest release should work. Let me know if now. I'll get notifications for any new issues now.

                      timconsidineT
                      timconsidineT
                      timconsidine
                      App Dev
                      wrote last edited by
                      #26

                      @marcusquinn thank you for checking and resolving

                      Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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                      • sponchS
                        sponchS
                        sponch
                        wrote last edited by sponch
                        #27

                        @marcusquinn still not working here.
                        CleanShot 2026-09-11 at 12.34.13@2x.png No possibility to create an account via Dashboard on initial start. Also had to change stun port because default is already in use here.

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                        • sponchS sponch

                          @marcusquinn still not working here.
                          CleanShot 2026-09-11 at 12.34.13@2x.png No possibility to create an account via Dashboard on initial start. Also had to change stun port because default is already in use here.

                          marcusquinnM
                          marcusquinnM
                          marcusquinn
                          wrote last edited by
                          #28

                          @sponch Can you try again from the latest release, please?

                          Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                          Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                          • timconsidineT
                            timconsidineT
                            timconsidine
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                            wrote last edited by timconsidine
                            #29

                            I got the same as @sponch did earlier.
                            Getting the same after the latest version.

                            Also FYI UDP port 3478 cannot be used (reserved).
                            Ticking the STUN NAT Traversal box and setting and saving 3479 superficially works, but on going back to 'Location' in app portal, 3479 has not been saved, it's reverted to 3478 and the tick box to enable custom port has been unticked.

                            I don't think the app CloudronManifest.json is using the cloudron turn addon, which might (not sure) allow port 3478 to be used.

                            Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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                            • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                              @sponch Can you try again from the latest release, please?

                              sponchS
                              sponchS
                              sponch
                              wrote last edited by
                              #30

                              @marcusquinn hey, its working now thanks! Do you think it's possible to include the proxy cluster in the installation? it's quite a pain to install that afterwards 😰

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                              • timconsidineT
                                timconsidineT
                                timconsidine
                                App Dev
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                                #31

                                @sponch said it worked so I went back, dug deeper, my browser cache was the culprit
                                So yes, management app incl login working.
                                Thank you @marcusquinn

                                I can't get a peer connected using netbird up -m https://netbird.domain.tld:443 -k <app_generated_secret_key>

                                Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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                                • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                  @sponch said it worked so I went back, dug deeper, my browser cache was the culprit
                                  So yes, management app incl login working.
                                  Thank you @marcusquinn

                                  I can't get a peer connected using netbird up -m https://netbird.domain.tld:443 -k <app_generated_secret_key>

                                  sponchS
                                  sponchS
                                  sponch
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #32

                                  @timconsidine should it not be
                                  netbird up --management-url https://netbird.xxx.tld --setup-key xxx

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                                  • sponchS sponch

                                    @timconsidine should it not be
                                    netbird up --management-url https://netbird.xxx.tld --setup-key xxx

                                    timconsidineT
                                    timconsidineT
                                    timconsidine
                                    App Dev
                                    wrote last edited by timconsidine
                                    #33

                                    @sponch yes,, I am just using the short forms -m and -k

                                     -m, --management-url string    Management Service URL [http|https]://[host]:[port] (default "https://api.netbird.io:443")
                                     -k, --setup-key string         Setup key obtained from the Management Service Dashboard (used to register peer)
                                    

                                    I don't get a client connecting to the management app with long or short forms. Did you ?

                                    Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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                                    • timconsidineT
                                      timconsidineT
                                      timconsidine
                                      App Dev
                                      wrote last edited by timconsidine
                                      #34

                                      Netbird is not an easy app to package - so big kudos to @marcusquinn for doing it.

                                      I continued to struggle with getting a client device to connect to the published Community App package.
                                      So I built my own package and (eventually after many attempts!) got the app UI and client connections working.

                                      The key difference is the client transport model:

                                      • @marcusquinn package sends native NetBird management/signal traffic over the normal Cloudron app URL on standard 443
                                      • it does not expose a dedicated native TCP port
                                      • it also does not use the Cloudron tls addon for a separate native listener
                                      • native gRPC is proxied through nginx behind Cloudron’s standard HTTPS path
                                      • does not use Cloudron’s turn addon STUN/TURN service; it uses NetBird’s own exposed STUN UDP port instead.

                                      My package now takes a different approach :

                                      • web UI/API/OIDC stay on the normal app URL
                                      • native NetBird clients use a dedicated port: https://<domain>:33073
                                      • Cloudron tls is used for that native port
                                      • nginx terminates TLS/HTTP2 on the native port and forwards gRPC internally
                                      • standard 443 is treated as web-only, not as the native client path
                                      • STUN comes from Cloudron’s turn addon rather than NetBird’s own exposed UDP listener

                                      So the packaging difference is basically:
                                      “everything over Cloudron 443 (marcus)” vs “web on 443, native clients on dedicated 33073 (mine)”

                                      My code is at : https://forgejo.tcjc.uk/cca/cloudron-netbird
                                      My CloudronVersions.json for installation is at : https://communityapps.appx.uk/cloudron-netbird/CloudronVersions.json

                                      I am not listing my package on ca.cloudron.io because that right goes to @marcusquinn (and 2 listed packages is just confusing to others).
                                      But it is available at the CloudronVersions link above.

                                      Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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                                      • sponchS
                                        sponchS
                                        sponch
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #35

                                        Sounds great. Is the Reverse Proxy working „out of the box“ this way? (By adding custom Domains)

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                                        • sponchS sponch

                                          Sounds great. Is the Reverse Proxy working „out of the box“ this way? (By adding custom Domains)

                                          timconsidineT
                                          timconsidineT
                                          timconsidine
                                          App Dev
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #36

                                          @sponch if I understand question, yes, just install as e.g. netbird.domain.tld and client connects as ‘netbird up -m https://netbird.domain.tld:33073 -k <setup key from app ui>

                                          Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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