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NetBird - FOSS noconf Mesh VPN using Wireguard, alternative to ZeroTier, Tailscale, OmniEdge, Netmaker etc

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  • timconsidineT
    timconsidineT
    timconsidine
    App Dev
    wrote on last edited by
    #14

    Testing on a real Cloudron instance (I haven't done this yet -- the packaging is based on docs and the combined container architecture)

    I don't know how this is possible - I always need to do multiple builds to get a working package.

    I started building from @marcusquinn repo.
    I needed to make some changes. Currently app builds and installs but have hit a circular dependency ("Catch-22") regarding authentication.

    The Goal: Configure NetBird to use Cloudron's OIDC service as its Identity Provider.

    The Problem:

    1. Configuration requires Login: To add Cloudron OIDC as an IdP, I need to log in to the NetBird dashboard (or use the API, which requires a token).
    2. Initial Login requires Embedded Dex: Since Cloudron OIDC isn't configured yet, I must use the embedded Dex IdP for the first login.
    3. Embedded Dex Fails: The embedded IdP is configured strictly according to the "combined server" docs (v0.36+). The dashboard loads, redirects to the embedded auth flow, but fails at the final step:
      • POST /oauth2/token returns 401 Unauthorized .
      • Browser console shows: storage[oidc.login.default] is empty and Token request failed .
      • Logs show no specific server-side error, just the 401.

    The Catch-22: I cannot log in (via embedded Dex) to configure the external IdP (Cloudron OIDC). I cannot configure the external IdP via files/env vars to bypass the broken embedded login.

    I will try a hack to get past this.

    Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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    • timconsidineT
      timconsidineT
      timconsidine
      App Dev
      wrote on last edited by
      #15

      Starting again, fresh start.
      Will update.

      Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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      • timconsidineT
        timconsidineT
        timconsidine
        App Dev
        wrote on last edited by
        #16

        Parking this for now - can't get past auth errors, even stripping out any OIDC and just using the embedded Dex user management.
        Will resume at some point because Netbird is very cool, works well for me via separately-hosted docker compose, and would be good to have on Cloudron.
        But other priorities push Netbird down the list.

        Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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        • timconsidineT timconsidine

          Parking this for now - can't get past auth errors, even stripping out any OIDC and just using the embedded Dex user management.
          Will resume at some point because Netbird is very cool, works well for me via separately-hosted docker compose, and would be good to have on Cloudron.
          But other priorities push Netbird down the list.

          marcusquinnM
          marcusquinnM
          marcusquinn
          wrote on last edited by
          #17

          @timconsidine thanks for testing. Refactored so OICD is an optional extra, plus other changes to the whole approach. README should explain.

          Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
          Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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          • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

            @timconsidine thanks for testing. Refactored so OICD is an optional extra, plus other changes to the whole approach. README should explain.

            timconsidineT
            timconsidineT
            timconsidine
            App Dev
            wrote on last edited by
            #18

            @marcusquinn I tried similar approach - simplify to just Netbird and embedded Dex. But that wasn't enough.
            Will try again shortly with fresh brain.

            Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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            • marcusquinnM
              marcusquinnM
              marcusquinn
              wrote on last edited by
              #19

              Added as a community app here:

              • https://ca.cloudron.io/app/netbird

              Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
              Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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              • sponchS
                sponchS
                sponch
                wrote on last edited by
                #20

                very cool. Just installed but do not get to the initial admin dashboard to make the admin account (neither with the installed URL Netbird.xyz.com nor with Netbird.xyz.coom/peers.
                instead I get an error (There was an error logging you in.
                Error: Unauthenticated).

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                • sponchS sponch

                  very cool. Just installed but do not get to the initial admin dashboard to make the admin account (neither with the installed URL Netbird.xyz.com nor with Netbird.xyz.coom/peers.
                  instead I get an error (There was an error logging you in.
                  Error: Unauthenticated).

                  sponchS
                  sponchS
                  sponch
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #21

                  @marcusquinn just saw that the stun port is already reserved an so not being used by netbird. Changing the port number doesn't help as the app doesn't keep it and deactivates it again after restarting the container.

                  (is there a way to find out which app uses that port in Cloudron? couldn't find it)

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                  • sponchS sponch

                    @marcusquinn just saw that the stun port is already reserved an so not being used by netbird. Changing the port number doesn't help as the app doesn't keep it and deactivates it again after restarting the container.

                    (is there a way to find out which app uses that port in Cloudron? couldn't find it)

                    marcusquinnM
                    marcusquinnM
                    marcusquinn
                    wrote on last edited by marcusquinn
                    #22

                    @sponch Can you post issues to the github repo and any relevant info, please? My systems will pick them up, review, and patch. Sorry, I can maintain it, but rely on other user feedback in case there's things my setup solved but don't work yet for others.

                    If I can recommend a look, too, at my main ai harness invention: https://aidevops.sh, because it's really good at diagnosing issues and logging them to the git repo for then solving.

                    Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                    Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                    • timconsidineT
                      timconsidineT
                      timconsidine
                      App Dev
                      wrote last edited by
                      #23

                      @marcusquinn I logged an issue - can't get it installed - might be a simple fix (detailed in issue).

                      Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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                      • timconsidineT timconsidine

                        @marcusquinn I logged an issue - can't get it installed - might be a simple fix (detailed in issue).

                        marcusquinnM
                        marcusquinnM
                        marcusquinn
                        wrote last edited by
                        #24

                        @timconsidine sorry, forgot to star my own repo to get notifications — looking now — should be a quick fix & release with you soon...

                        Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                        Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                        • timconsidineT timconsidine

                          @marcusquinn I logged an issue - can't get it installed - might be a simple fix (detailed in issue).

                          marcusquinnM
                          marcusquinnM
                          marcusquinn
                          wrote last edited by
                          #25

                          @timconsidine latest release should work. Let me know if now. I'll get notifications for any new issues now.

                          Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                          Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                          • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                            @timconsidine latest release should work. Let me know if now. I'll get notifications for any new issues now.

                            timconsidineT
                            timconsidineT
                            timconsidine
                            App Dev
                            wrote last edited by
                            #26

                            @marcusquinn thank you for checking and resolving

                            Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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                            • sponchS
                              sponchS
                              sponch
                              wrote last edited by sponch
                              #27

                              @marcusquinn still not working here.
                              CleanShot 2026-09-11 at 12.34.13@2x.png No possibility to create an account via Dashboard on initial start. Also had to change stun port because default is already in use here.

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                              • sponchS sponch

                                @marcusquinn still not working here.
                                CleanShot 2026-09-11 at 12.34.13@2x.png No possibility to create an account via Dashboard on initial start. Also had to change stun port because default is already in use here.

                                marcusquinnM
                                marcusquinnM
                                marcusquinn
                                wrote last edited by
                                #28

                                @sponch Can you try again from the latest release, please?

                                Web Design & Development: https://www.evergreen.je
                                Technology & Apps: https://www.marcusquinn.com

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                                • timconsidineT
                                  timconsidineT
                                  timconsidine
                                  App Dev
                                  wrote last edited by timconsidine
                                  #29

                                  I got the same as @sponch did earlier.
                                  Getting the same after the latest version.

                                  Also FYI UDP port 3478 cannot be used (reserved).
                                  Ticking the STUN NAT Traversal box and setting and saving 3479 superficially works, but on going back to 'Location' in app portal, 3479 has not been saved, it's reverted to 3478 and the tick box to enable custom port has been unticked.

                                  I don't think the app CloudronManifest.json is using the cloudron turn addon, which might (not sure) allow port 3478 to be used.

                                  Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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                                  • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                    @sponch Can you try again from the latest release, please?

                                    sponchS
                                    sponchS
                                    sponch
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #30

                                    @marcusquinn hey, its working now thanks! Do you think it's possible to include the proxy cluster in the installation? it's quite a pain to install that afterwards 😰

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                                    • timconsidineT
                                      timconsidineT
                                      timconsidine
                                      App Dev
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #31

                                      @sponch said it worked so I went back, dug deeper, my browser cache was the culprit
                                      So yes, management app incl login working.
                                      Thank you @marcusquinn

                                      I can't get a peer connected using netbird up -m https://netbird.domain.tld:443 -k <app_generated_secret_key>

                                      Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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                                      • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                        @sponch said it worked so I went back, dug deeper, my browser cache was the culprit
                                        So yes, management app incl login working.
                                        Thank you @marcusquinn

                                        I can't get a peer connected using netbird up -m https://netbird.domain.tld:443 -k <app_generated_secret_key>

                                        sponchS
                                        sponchS
                                        sponch
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #32

                                        @timconsidine should it not be
                                        netbird up --management-url https://netbird.xxx.tld --setup-key xxx

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                                        • sponchS sponch

                                          @timconsidine should it not be
                                          netbird up --management-url https://netbird.xxx.tld --setup-key xxx

                                          timconsidineT
                                          timconsidineT
                                          timconsidine
                                          App Dev
                                          wrote last edited by timconsidine
                                          #33

                                          @sponch yes,, I am just using the short forms -m and -k

                                           -m, --management-url string    Management Service URL [http|https]://[host]:[port] (default "https://api.netbird.io:443")
                                           -k, --setup-key string         Setup key obtained from the Management Service Dashboard (used to register peer)
                                          

                                          I don't get a client connecting to the management app with long or short forms. Did you ?

                                          Indie app dev, huge fan of Cloudron PaaS, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk

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