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Please suggest a replacement for Nextcloud

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  • humptyH
    humptyH
    humpty
    wrote last edited by humpty
    #2

    Contacts, Calendar, Files = use the cloudron developed apps (contacts, calendar, cubby). Access on android will be through Dav5x that handles syncing with your native android apps.

    As for notes, I'm not sure what type of "notes" you're looking to share (status updates, knowledgebase, documents, etc), but there are a few options that I can recommend:

    • Outline
    • Affine
    • Joplin (this is what I use and has desktop/mobile clients; local storage, cloud syncing, plethora of plugins to extend functionality)
    • Cryptpad

    Edit: You can use Matrix/Element for note taking/sharing as well by making use of spaces/rooms. Encryption is top-notch, has desktop and mobile apps, and works with Cloudron user management.

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    • nebulonN
      nebulonN
      nebulon
      Staff
      wrote last edited by
      #3

      Have you seen the apps we have built for most of those use-cases? At least calendar, contacts and cubby (for files and sharing) should pretty much match what you asked for.

      Calendar and contacts work fine with Android and at least linux clients via caldav and carddav.
      For cubby we have an Android app built but that playstore submission is not a trivial feat at the moment.

      If anything is missing in one of those for you, would be great to get feedback on those in their corresponding forum sections 🙂

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        bazinga
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        @nebulon I've looked at cubby, but it seems you guys have taken it in a completely different direction - eg. it's now some form of an AI assistant? cubby.org is no more, cubby.com was mentioned by Google as a new home.

        How would I sync files with my Android devices and Linux/windows desktops from cubby that is available in the app store?

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        • nebulonN
          nebulonN
          nebulon
          Staff
          wrote last edited by nebulon
          #5

          not sure what those domains/products are but they are not related to the file management app we develop. Since really only Cloudron is supported to install at, it has no separate project site as such yet.

          Cubby supports webdav, so it can be integrated in windows and linux filemanagers (though I don't have windows as such to give more details there).

          For Android the app is coming, but I guess we can already provide the apk soon even before play store acceptance

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          • humptyH humpty

            Contacts, Calendar, Files = use the cloudron developed apps (contacts, calendar, cubby). Access on android will be through Dav5x that handles syncing with your native android apps.

            As for notes, I'm not sure what type of "notes" you're looking to share (status updates, knowledgebase, documents, etc), but there are a few options that I can recommend:

            • Outline
            • Affine
            • Joplin (this is what I use and has desktop/mobile clients; local storage, cloud syncing, plethora of plugins to extend functionality)
            • Cryptpad

            Edit: You can use Matrix/Element for note taking/sharing as well by making use of spaces/rooms. Encryption is top-notch, has desktop and mobile apps, and works with Cloudron user management.

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            bazinga
            wrote last edited by
            #6

            @humpty With "notes" I was referring to a note taking app - I don't care for complex apps, I just want a way to take simple notes and have them easily available on mobile + desktop. I've been using Notes app + Nextcloud. But thanks, I'll look at those other apps you've mentioned.

            How exactly would I sync files via DavX5? I didn't think it supports that? It supports getting files, but not sync? And for me I really need to update a file on my desktop and see it on my phone. Also sharing with the family (other Cloudron users) is critical.

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            • nebulonN nebulon

              not sure what those domains/products are but they are not related to the file management app we develop. Since really only Cloudron is supported to install at, it has no separate project site as such yet.

              Cubby supports webdav, so it can be integrated in windows and linux filemanagers (though I don't have windows as such to give more details there).

              For Android the app is coming, but I guess we can already provide the apk soon even before play store acceptance

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              bazinga
              wrote last edited by bazinga
              #7

              @nebulon Huh, good to know - there was some resource that said you guys are behind the cubby.com. Probably a mistake.

              So, with cubby - am I able to change a file on my desktop and get it pushed into the cloud where my Android can access the updated file?

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              • jdaviescoatesJ
                jdaviescoatesJ
                jdaviescoates
                Super Fan
                wrote last edited by jdaviescoates
                #8

                @nebulon I've just realised https://getcubby.org/ now redirects to https://s42.cloud/ Intriguing!

                I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                  @nebulon I've just realised https://getcubby.org/ now redirects to https://s42.cloud/ Intriguing!

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                  bazinga
                  wrote last edited by
                  #9

                  @jdaviescoates That's exactly what prompted me to look what happened and AI Overview then told me Cloudron team is behind cubby.com and cubby.org was migrated to that.

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                  • B bazinga

                    @humpty With "notes" I was referring to a note taking app - I don't care for complex apps, I just want a way to take simple notes and have them easily available on mobile + desktop. I've been using Notes app + Nextcloud. But thanks, I'll look at those other apps you've mentioned.

                    How exactly would I sync files via DavX5? I didn't think it supports that? It supports getting files, but not sync? And for me I really need to update a file on my desktop and see it on my phone. Also sharing with the family (other Cloudron users) is critical.

                    humptyH
                    humptyH
                    humpty
                    wrote last edited by
                    #10

                    @bazinga said:

                    With "notes" I was referring to a note taking app - I don't care for complex apps, I just want a way to take simple notes and have them easily available on mobile + desktop.

                    In that case, Joplin FTW.

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                    • B bazinga

                      @jdaviescoates That's exactly what prompted me to look what happened and AI Overview then told me Cloudron team is behind cubby.com and cubby.org was migrated to that.

                      jdaviescoatesJ
                      jdaviescoatesJ
                      jdaviescoates
                      Super Fan
                      wrote last edited by
                      #11

                      @bazinga said:

                      AI Overview then told me Cloudron team is behind cubby.com and cubby.org was migrated to that.

                      Another example of AI just randomly guessing and being completely wrong.

                      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                      • B bazinga

                        Hi everyone,

                        I really need few things:

                        • Contacts
                        • Calendar
                        • Notes
                        • Files
                        • Access to all of the above from Android mobile devices, Linux and Windows desktops.
                        • Ability to share files and calendars between Cloudron users.

                        I've been using Nextcloud for a long while now. Big reason for me was support for the features plus very active development, which promises quick issue resolution (obviously a double edged sword).

                        I've been thinking about a replacement every now and then, but never could find apps (well, Cloudron apps) that would satisfy these requirements - contacts and calendar is easy - seems like these are a dime a dozen; security focused file sharing with mobile/desktop access is not so much.

                        Security is a very high priority, especially for the files part of it. Nextcloud doesn't support end-to-end encryption of files, which was a bit of a concern. With recent PHP issues this becomes a worry.

                        Would appreciate any advice.

                        timconsidineT
                        timconsidineT
                        timconsidine
                        App Dev CA Maintainer Super Fan
                        wrote last edited by
                        #12

                        @bazinga have a look at Sync-in (Community App) : https://ca.cloudron.io/app/io.timconsidine.syncin

                        I think it handles a lot of Nextcloud in a better way.

                        Indie app dev, scratching my itches : communityapps.appx.uk, portfolio at myca.appx.uk

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                        • nebulonN nebulon

                          not sure what those domains/products are but they are not related to the file management app we develop. Since really only Cloudron is supported to install at, it has no separate project site as such yet.

                          Cubby supports webdav, so it can be integrated in windows and linux filemanagers (though I don't have windows as such to give more details there).

                          For Android the app is coming, but I guess we can already provide the apk soon even before play store acceptance

                          micmcM
                          micmcM
                          micmc
                          wrote last edited by
                          #13

                          Would like to add my 2 cents here about this new Cloudron app and thank you a so much great bunch lol as well, this app is absolutely AMAZING!
                          It runs so well and it's so easy to use just as a snap out of the box, unbelievable! And connected on a dedi with 1Gbps pipe as well as 3Gbps optical fiber here in home-office the wire is getting ♨ 🤗

                          @nebulon said:

                          Cubby supports webdav, so it can be integrated in windows and linux filemanagers (though I don't have windows as such to give more details there).

                          In Linux one just need to type server address and change http:// for dav:// in a "file manager" bar, and then connect with user name and pw.
                          I would bet that it's about the same way to do thing in "Winthing" 😊

                          For Android the app is coming, but I guess we can already provide the apk soon even before play store acceptance

                          Well, it works also perfectly well in a Tablet in a browser as well it's really good as is, at least on a 10" one I haven't tried on a phone yet.
                          P.S.: I'm also running-testing Mail and Tachyon and also Chat and... 💪 👊 ...nuf said

                          AI Intelligencia RED PILL Podcast
                          (coming soon...)

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                          • timconsidineT timconsidine

                            @bazinga have a look at Sync-in (Community App) : https://ca.cloudron.io/app/io.timconsidine.syncin

                            I think it handles a lot of Nextcloud in a better way.

                            micmcM
                            micmcM
                            micmc
                            wrote last edited by
                            #14

                            @timconsidine said:

                            I think it handles a lot of Nextcloud in a better way.

                            100% agree! At last, an escape from NextCloud the heavy and bloated hard to maintain running correctly suite, between server and plugins updates it's almost nightmarish ...
                            Alright feel better now 😊

                            AI Intelligencia RED PILL Podcast
                            (coming soon...)

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                            • B bazinga

                              @nebulon Huh, good to know - there was some resource that said you guys are behind the cubby.com. Probably a mistake.

                              So, with cubby - am I able to change a file on my desktop and get it pushed into the cloud where my Android can access the updated file?

                              micmcM
                              micmcM
                              micmc
                              wrote last edited by micmc
                              #15

                              @bazinga said:

                              So, with cubby - am I able to change a file on my desktop and get it pushed into the cloud where my Android can access the updated file?

                              Yes, indeed, through WebDAV protocol using a normal "file manager" window you type the address of your server using davs:// instead of https:// you'll be prompted for your uname and pw and and once you're connected you're in a folder on your desktop just like any other desktop folder.

                              On a mobile device you can connect through https:// using a web browser and it works pretty well.

                              Whatever the device you use, your files are still at the same place. They're on your server. Whether you access them from your desktop or your mobile. So unless you think you'd be offline for while, in such case you could literally sync some files on your mobile device, there would be no real reason nor a need to sync files from your server into into your mobile device. 🙃

                              P.S.: Oh and I also endorse Joplin as a note app it's amazing and so powerful. That one has desktop and a mobile app as well and incredible plugins, you can even connect some AI to chat with your notes and documents and even produce content. Enjoy!

                              AI Intelligencia RED PILL Podcast
                              (coming soon...)

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                              • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                @bazinga have a look at Sync-in (Community App) : https://ca.cloudron.io/app/io.timconsidine.syncin

                                I think it handles a lot of Nextcloud in a better way.

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                                bazinga
                                wrote last edited by
                                #16

                                @timconsidine Thank you, will take a look. My problem is that I have few family members who are very non-technical and spread around the globe, so getting their devices configured accordingly is a very, very challenging task.

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                                • humptyH humpty

                                  @bazinga said:

                                  With "notes" I was referring to a note taking app - I don't care for complex apps, I just want a way to take simple notes and have them easily available on mobile + desktop.

                                  In that case, Joplin FTW.

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                                  bazinga
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #17

                                  @humpty Thank you, will take a look. I see Joplin supports E2EE, which is huge. I hope it isn't too bloated and complex - not looking for that complexity at all.

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                                  • micmcM micmc

                                    @bazinga said:

                                    So, with cubby - am I able to change a file on my desktop and get it pushed into the cloud where my Android can access the updated file?

                                    Yes, indeed, through WebDAV protocol using a normal "file manager" window you type the address of your server using davs:// instead of https:// you'll be prompted for your uname and pw and and once you're connected you're in a folder on your desktop just like any other desktop folder.

                                    On a mobile device you can connect through https:// using a web browser and it works pretty well.

                                    Whatever the device you use, your files are still at the same place. They're on your server. Whether you access them from your desktop or your mobile. So unless you think you'd be offline for while, in such case you could literally sync some files on your mobile device, there would be no real reason nor a need to sync files from your server into into your mobile device. 🙃

                                    P.S.: Oh and I also endorse Joplin as a note app it's amazing and so powerful. That one has desktop and a mobile app as well and incredible plugins, you can even connect some AI to chat with your notes and documents and even produce content. Enjoy!

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                                    bazinga
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #18

                                    @micmc Thank you. I wonder if I could use something like Cryptomatic with WebDAV in order to E2EE some specific files and access them on mobile and desktop. Will need to look into that.

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                                      @micmc Thank you. I wonder if I could use something like Cryptomatic with WebDAV in order to E2EE some specific files and access them on mobile and desktop. Will need to look into that.

                                      micmcM
                                      micmcM
                                      micmc
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #19

                                      @bazinga said:

                                      @micmc Thank you. I wonder if I could use something like Cryptomatic with WebDAV in order to E2EE some specific files and access them on mobile and desktop. Will need to look into that.

                                      You're welcome.
                                      I do not know Cryptomatic though in your case then I would take a look at CryptPad maybe this one would work better for you as it has files sharing, collaboration, and E2EE out of the box and very not complicated to use with a very nice webui.

                                      AI Intelligencia RED PILL Podcast
                                      (coming soon...)

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                                      • humptyH
                                        humptyH
                                        humpty
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #20

                                        Do you mean Cryptomator? If so, I use it with Nextcloud. Zero issues. I haven't tried it with other apps though.

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