Chat

[joseph]

@timconsidine we use it as the company Chat. It replaced Matrix for us. It's not meant to replace WhatsApp/Signal etc. It's a mattermost replacement for an org.

[timconsidine]

@joseph thank you for clarification.

It's not meant to replace WhatsApp/Signal etc.

Good, not what I'm aiming at.

It's a mattermost replacement for an org.

Also good.
But cloudron users comes unstuck for this specific use-case.

I have no problem with Matrix/Mattermost.
But the user group in question would struggle with them.
And I'm not adding them to my Cloudron (could be thousands).

[humpty]

@timconsidine you're looking for IRC-ish style chats where you just visit a site, enter a username, and start chatting. No login necessary?

edit: this post wouldn't go through on the first attempt as I got a message it got flagged as spam by akismet. It went through the second attempt without changing anything. ODD.

[mononym]

@humpty That use case would be Campfire (https://forum.cloudron.io/post/112511) I guess.

[timconsidine]

@humpty initially registration was intended (just users not on cloudron instance)
But i guess instant use has some advantages for adoption.

It's not a defined use case.
Even maybe discourse could work - investigating.

[timconsidine]

@mononym I do not recall seeing that so will take a look

[jdaviescoates]

@timconsidine said:

discourse

Also has chat these days. I think possibly even powered by Matrix.

[Lanhild]

What if the app simply supported multiple OIDC sources, configurable by an admin? This would allow you to have other users without them necessarily having cloudron account.

[robi]

@Lanhild if Cloudron had an OIDC gateway defaulting to Cloudron, that would open things up nicely.

[bazinga]

@avatar1024 Look into who funded it, who governed it and steered it in the first couple of years of its development (that is - if you can even find that information these days - seems like someone did a good job of scrubbing). After that entity got involved, all of a sudden, Signal was pushed by everything out there, including your microwave, as a "privacy messaging app".

I'm very privacy focused (some may say paranoid) because I, unlike many, don't take the rights for granted and I've looked into Signal a long while ago (short after it started appearing everywhere) - found multiple very privacy oriented and trustworthy sources disclosing a lot of early details on Signal and its connection to specific entities. Never looked into it after that - might as well use WhatsApp and Telegram (which is a killer app) knowing well that they aren't privacy oriented.

[jdaviescoates]

@bazinga the whole Internet was funded and enabled by government entities.

Signal is open source and run by a non profit.

Telegram doesn't even have encryption on by default, is for profit and proprietary. And has ads 🤮

But each to their own.

[robi]

Found a new one called Ember inspired by Campfire: https://github.com/NYLLON-SOFTWARE/ember-cloudflare

Even though it has CloudFlare integration for 1-click deployment, it's self hostable which may be of interest here. (see bottom of the page)